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Jury: Samsung Owes Apple Another $290 Million

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Re: Jury: Samsung Owes Apple Another $290 Million

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Post by threeseed »

patrickaljord wrote: post #17
josteink wrote: post #4

I seriously can't believe how much money Apple has been able to troll out of those rounded corners and that end-of-list overscroll effect. And now, to top it off, iOS 7 is built on the holo-principles of Android. It's almost like Apple is doing it merely to taunt its foreign competitors, saying very, very clearly: "Sorry guys. I'm untouchable". Utterly disgusting. At least their attempts to outright ban products have…

At this point, for most people watching this from outside of the US, it looks like protectionism racket disguised as a legal verdict. Samsung is eating Apple's lunch and the US is trying to stop that. The US gov keeps pushing for more free market worldwide (which is great), except that when one of its industries or great companies is in danger because of international competition, protectionism is the way. How can th…

How can you be taken seriously when you post such illogical dribble ?

To imply that US judges have been 'bought off' by Apple or by the US government is a huge claim to make that deserves substantiation.

Re: Jury: Samsung Owes Apple Another $290 Million

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Post by bennyg »

Glyptodon wrote: post #20

I feel sorry for Samsung. I don't know how anyone can buy an Apple product without feeling ashamed anymore. Yes, Samsung made products that looked kind of similar to Apple ones. Big whoop. Competition over litigation, I say.

I don't feel ashamed at all. The iPhone is literally a better and more pleasant phone to use/develop for in my opinion. That's why I buy it, and probably will continue to buy it.

A lot of companies sue over dumb shit - Samsung included. That's the nature of the corporate battleground. I really don't care as long as they aren't suing end users for things that I do with a phone (which includes pretty much every thing you can do with a phone).

Re: Jury: Samsung Owes Apple Another $290 Million

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Post by aroch »

sreque wrote: post #19
rayiner wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the stuff that gets missed in these debates. It's not like Apple's attorneys got up in front of the jury, drew a rectangle with rounded corners, wrote PATENTED across it, then sat down. Rather, stuff like what you linked to is what causes juries to award $1 billion. E-mails along the lines of "let's make this look more like the iPhone." Presentations along the lines of "why isn't this more like the iPhone?" S…

You know what else gets tossed out of these debates by Apple patent defenders? The fact that Samsung is continuing to have success in invaliding the patents they are being sued for: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/11/20/samsung-looks-to-h...

Except not really. This isn't actually "final" in any way shape or form. USPTO reexaminations have to pass preponderance (aka, better than 50%) which is a terribly low bar and the Federal Circuit has a higher standard required. Apple can still amend and clarify claims to reinstate the patent.

Re: Jury: Samsung Owes Apple Another $290 Million

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Post by ykl »

Glyptodon wrote: post #20

I feel sorry for Samsung. I don't know how anyone can buy an Apple product without feeling ashamed anymore. Yes, Samsung made products that looked kind of similar to Apple ones. Big whoop. Competition over litigation, I say.

You obviously haven't read the Galaxy S1 design docs then.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/102317767/Samsung-Relative-Evaluat...

Re: Jury: Samsung Owes Apple Another $290 Million

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Post by IBM »

sreque wrote: post #19
rayiner wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the stuff that gets missed in these debates. It's not like Apple's attorneys got up in front of the jury, drew a rectangle with rounded corners, wrote PATENTED across it, then sat down. Rather, stuff like what you linked to is what causes juries to award $1 billion. E-mails along the lines of "let's make this look more like the iPhone." Presentations along the lines of "why isn't this more like the iPhone?" S…

You know what else gets tossed out of these debates by Apple patent defenders? The fact that Samsung is continuing to have success in invaliding the patents they are being sued for: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/11/20/samsung-looks-to-h...

The patent wasn't invalidated.

>The Patent Office has been re-examining the claims of the '915 patent, and Apple recently responded to the agency's questions. However, in the document filed by the Patent Office on Wednesday, the group said that it "respectfully disagrees" with Apple's claims about the technology and that Apple's arguments "are not persuasive."

>The Patent Office comments don't invalidate the '915 patent but mean that Apple will have to provide more information and argue for the validity of the patent.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57613191-37/samsung-asks-j...

Other patents have been reaffirmed on reexamination.

http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/10/us-patent-office-confirme...

Re: Jury: Samsung Owes Apple Another $290 Million

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Post by threeseed »

Glyptodon wrote: post #20

I feel sorry for Samsung. I don't know how anyone can buy an Apple product without feeling ashamed anymore. Yes, Samsung made products that looked kind of similar to Apple ones. Big whoop. Competition over litigation, I say.

I feel sorry for Samsung's competitors. And that includes all the other industries Samsung executes the same "innovation by duplication" approach.

Not everyone Samsung copies is a huge multinational:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24023430

Re: Jury: Samsung Owes Apple Another $290 Million

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Post by WaterSponge »

ykl wrote: post #26
Glyptodon wrote: post #20

I feel sorry for Samsung. I don't know how anyone can buy an Apple product without feeling ashamed anymore. Yes, Samsung made products that looked kind of similar to Apple ones. Big whoop. Competition over litigation, I say.

You obviously haven't read the Galaxy S1 design docs then. http://www.scribd.com/doc/102317767/Samsung-Relative-Evaluat...

Serious question... Is it not a normal thing to hardcore analyze your offerings against your competitors?

And if so is it a bad faith to do these types of analysis inside your company on your products since it exposes you in court?

How has the auto industry get getting along so long without suing each other into the ground?

Re: Jury: Samsung Owes Apple Another $290 Million

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Post by Glyptodon »

ykl wrote: post #26
Glyptodon wrote: post #20

I feel sorry for Samsung. I don't know how anyone can buy an Apple product without feeling ashamed anymore. Yes, Samsung made products that looked kind of similar to Apple ones. Big whoop. Competition over litigation, I say.

You obviously haven't read the Galaxy S1 design docs then. http://www.scribd.com/doc/102317767/Samsung-Relative-Evaluat...

I just don't see what's wrong with it. Evaluating a competitor's product and improving on/comparing with your own is what any company should be doing... Especially since a lot of the comparisons are pretty much statements of the obvious, too.

I'd bet Samsung didn't really have a well developed UX design group behind their software/UI initially. Then they were brought to their senses by a competitor and did a thorough analysis and comparison to improve their products and compete. I just can't see what's wrong with that.

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