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Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by ddp26 »

notacoward wrote: post #67
kadabra9 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd agree with this. A few top players have stated that Carlsen is extremely difficult to prepare for, because he's capable of playing a wide range of openings, using obscure variations, and adjusting his play/style towards his opponent. If you review his games over time, you'll noticed he's become a much more balanced player, capable of playing both extremely dangerous and tactical positions filled with traps, but a…

FWIW, Fischer was also famous for this chameleon-like quality. Maybe it's something to do with reaching that level while still young.

That's true - however, Fischer did play the same openings religiously. To prepare for Carlsen, you don't have the luxury of knowing what opening you will face.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by gokhan »

klapinat0r wrote: post #92
jrs99 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it may mean he went from being a more calculating type of player(tactical), which you can win many games with, to being a more positional type of player (strategical) which takes a much greater understanding of the game.

Would you mind to elaborate on what you mean by playing tactical vs. strategical? (part of my yearly "now I'll get started with Chess again")

Tactical: Kasparov. Positional / Strategical: Karpov

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by kadabra9 »

klapinat0r wrote: post #92
jrs99 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it may mean he went from being a more calculating type of player(tactical), which you can win many games with, to being a more positional type of player (strategical) which takes a much greater understanding of the game.

Would you mind to elaborate on what you mean by playing tactical vs. strategical? (part of my yearly "now I'll get started with Chess again")

Tactics are often associated with winning material through a combination or attack, so you could think of concepts such as trapping an opponents queen or blundering a knight are more tactical in nature. Other ideas, like discovered check, pins, decoys, etc are primarily tactical as well. Many lower level games are decided by tactics simply because players are more apt to fall into traps, not calculate properly, etc.

Strategic play is much more subtle, but becomes more important as you get stronger. Strategic play generally involves more long term planning with the goal of creating a lasting advantage for yourself. Some examples of strategic concepts are creating more space for yourself (and at the same time constricting your opponent), having a better pawn structure (e.g your opponents pawns are isolated and vulnerable to attack), having your minor pieces better positioned(e.g your bishops rake open diagonals while your opponent's are trapped behind pawns)

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by slyall »

auctiontheory wrote: post #50
robrenaud wrote: post #41

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Fuck looks/face/perception. I don't care what you think about me. I just want to win (within the rules, of course).

Once you get a reputation for playing out positions more than a rook down, you may have a harder time getting tournament invitations, sponsors, collaborators, etc. If you're an amateur, soon even your friends won't want to play you.

I know a kid (age about 10, rating around 1900) who doesn't resign ever. He'll be a couple of pieces down against a player 400 points better and still play on.

It doesn't make him popular, it wastes the time of the opponents who have to sit around for an extra half hour and we even have to warn visiting players to expect it. His opponents will sometimes create 3 Queens or similar just to make him look stupid.

If you get a reputation then others will start to treat you like an idiot. Eg one strong player recently played out the full 50 moves of K+R vs K+N against another strong player, possibly to "punish" past behavior.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by Codhisattva »

pytrin wrote: post #83
Peroni wrote: post #72

I'm an experienced poker player however I'm an absolute chess novice. Aside from the obvious "just practice" advice, what are the best resources to fall back on in terms of books, videos etc if I wanted to learn the game in significant depth?

I'd highly recommend "My System" by Aron Nimzowitsch. A deep dive into positional play instead of specific tactics http://www.amazon.com/My-System-21st-Century-Edition/dp/1880...

This is a great intermediate level book. Definitely read Reinfeld and study the SCO and then get into this one.

Tactics!

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by auctiontheory »

klapinat0r wrote: post #92
jrs99 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it may mean he went from being a more calculating type of player(tactical), which you can win many games with, to being a more positional type of player (strategical) which takes a much greater understanding of the game.

Would you mind to elaborate on what you mean by playing tactical vs. strategical? (part of my yearly "now I'll get started with Chess again")

Tactics: knowing what to do when there's something concrete to do, aka calculation.

Strategery: knowing what to do when there's nothing obvious to do, aka vision, planning.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by gokhan »

super_mario wrote: post #33
denysonique wrote: post #18

Hopefully Carlsen's becoming the FIDE World Champion will be loud in the media and will bring back the popularity of chess into our times.

Not very likely now that most of us have a computer in our pockets that can beat each of these guys. Chess will never be the same again.

My car can go faster than Usain Bolt.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by maaaats »

anExcitedBeast wrote: post #60
auctiontheory wrote: post #53

Carlsen is the best/only hope for chess to clean up its act (reinventing FIDE and the Candidates process), and market itself to the broader Western public, much as poker has been marketed. Keeping my fingers crossed.

As a chess player and fan, this will never happen. Poker can be very fun to watch, even for people who don't know how it's played. Chess is often boring to watch, even for people who do know how it's played. Can it's profile be increased? Absolutely. Will it ever compare to the television success of poker? I doubt it, but that's OK.

I feel the other way: Poker is boring to watch, too much luck/randomness when watching. Fun to play, though.

I'm not really a chess player, but I've watched all the matches this Championship, and all my friends (not chessplayers as well) are watching. It helps that we are Norwegian, though. And that may be the point: A western player will bring back the popularity in the west.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by auctiontheory »

anExcitedBeast wrote: post #60
auctiontheory wrote: post #53

Carlsen is the best/only hope for chess to clean up its act (reinventing FIDE and the Candidates process), and market itself to the broader Western public, much as poker has been marketed. Keeping my fingers crossed.

As a chess player and fan, this will never happen. Poker can be very fun to watch, even for people who don't know how it's played. Chess is often boring to watch, even for people who do know how it's played. Can it's profile be increased? Absolutely. Will it ever compare to the television success of poker? I doubt it, but that's OK.

Blitz games, and bullet tie-breakers. Brightly-colored computer evaluations - a "win %" that swings wildly with every move. HD close ups of the players' frantic, sweaty faces. Pieces flying. Maurice Ashley. Anna Sharevich.

With the right backing, chess can definitely be as popular as poker. Big-money TV poker is very much a modern creation. Even big-money basketball is a "creation," not a founding plank of US culture.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by maaaats »

peeters wrote: post #31
rikacomet wrote: post #20

The worst part about that match is, Anand spent 50+ minute on one move, to loose all the time advantage he had pushed carlsen into. First I thought, it was to make Carlsen loose his nerve, but he lost his own nerve, by moving Qe4, instead of slow push hh4. That was the turning point :( He went from winning position to a clear loss. Also, I don't get the point of resigning, on this level, it should be a fight till the…

I don't see anything wrong with resigning. First off, it acknowledges your weak position, which saves you some face for at least knowing. Second, it is a strong compliment on your opponent's skill, because only poor play from your opponent would put you into a draw/win situation. This in turn is classy, because it's saying "I want to win on my own merits, not on a mistake of my opponent." So honestly I think it makes…

One of the games this match, the commentators said that this was almost a forced draw, slightly advantage for Carlsen but no way he could win with it, and that they should resign.

Carlsen played on, grinding, and a few non-optimal (not blunders) from Anand, and Carlsen won. Today it was a clear win, so I agree shaking the hand and end the game was right. But not always.

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