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Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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By the way, there is a very interesting tournament going on currently -- TCEC, unofficial computer chess championship [1]. The main intrigue of the tournament is the fight between Stockfish and Komodo. Houdini, dominating engine in the last few years, already lost any chances to go into the superfinal -- two very strong challengers, Komodo and Stockfish, in the last few months were able to eat huge advantage of Houdi…

To make it truly interesting (from the algorithmic point of view), these competitions should be limited to a standard machine with no connectivity. Otherwise it's an arms race.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carlsen is not dominant as Kasparov. He may get there, but right now, there's no comparison.

Sure there's a comparison. Kasparov maxed out at 79 points higher than the second-rated player (Kramnik). Carlsen is currently 70 points higher than the second-rated player (Aronian). By the way, Fischer at his peak was 125 points ahead of the second-rated player, Spassky.

Well, I think the main reason we can't yet compare him to Kasparov is that Garry become world champion at a similar age, but then held the title for many years (a decade and a half depending on which title you count after the Fide/PCA thing). Carlsen will win the title, but let's see how long he holds it for. If, for some unfortunate reason (I hope not of course) he feels too much pressure, gets tired, has some breakdown, and loses the title in 2 or 4 years, then no one will compare him to Kasparov, except as being in very early 20s when winning the World Title.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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By the way, there is a very interesting tournament going on currently -- TCEC, unofficial computer chess championship [1]. The main intrigue of the tournament is the fight between Stockfish and Komodo. Houdini, dominating engine in the last few years, already lost any chances to go into the superfinal -- two very strong challengers, Komodo and Stockfish, in the last few months were able to eat huge advantage of Houdi…

What are their ELO rating estimates? I was a high school player and used to mess around with Rybka, but I haven't looked into computer chess in years.

It's hard to say precisely because top players don't really play top computers competitively, but the best computer engines appear to be well above 3000 by now. The estimates on the TCEC page put Stockfish and Komodo both at around 3100.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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What's really scary about Carlsen is I don't think he's close to reaching his full potential yet. He's rapidly approaching the level of dominance in elite chess not seen since Fischer or Kasparov, and he's only 22. I can't think of anyone in the next Candidate's Tournament that would be a serious threat to take Carlsen's title, aside from maybe Kramnik. I'm also really interested to see the impact Carlsen winning the…

Carlsen is not dominant as Kasparov. He may get there, but right now, there's no comparison.

There is a comparison, even if Kasparov wins it. IMO the best place to start would be the highest tournament performance ratings[1]. Kasparov had five of the top ten at the time the list was compiled, over a ten year span. That's pretty dominant. OTOH, Carlsen's later 8/10 at Pearl Springs 2009 (Category XXI) got him a new record PR of 3002[2]. If we include matches, his current performance against Anand might also rate pretty high.

I'm not saying Carlsen is the greatest ever. I'm just saying comparisons are totally valid.

[1] http://en.chessbase.com/post/the-greatest-che-player-of-all-... [2] http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=52948

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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I'm an experienced poker player however I'm an absolute chess novice. Aside from the obvious "just practice" advice, what are the best resources to fall back on in terms of books, videos etc if I wanted to learn the game in significant depth?

If you're a novice, here's some good advice: play lots of games, but when you study, study tactics. Get some basics down on the endgame, some strategy concepts, but just the very basics, and then just study tactics. And by that I mean do tactical exercises. Most of your games, as in 98% of them, will be lost/won due to tactical errors and blunders (a blunder is just a really, really bad tactical error). If you keep to tactics you'll get pretty good over time. When you reach, say 1800, you can start getting to grips with some deeper strategical ideas, study more openings, etc.

Oh, and since you asked about books, here are two books that came to mind and are pretty good (and you can go through them in this order): Winning Chess Tactics by Seirawan Winning Chess Tactics for Juniors by Lou Hays

Oh, and don't mind the 'Winning' in both titles. You'll lose plenty of games right now :-)

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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I'm an experienced poker player however I'm an absolute chess novice. Aside from the obvious "just practice" advice, what are the best resources to fall back on in terms of books, videos etc if I wanted to learn the game in significant depth?

Modern Chess Openings is the standard opening game resource.

For endgames I recommend Silman's Complete Endgame Course.

For the middle game, practice a lot, and do a lot of chess problems (there are apps that contain thousands of tactical chess problems).

After a while you will start to see how the opening leads into the midgame leads into the endgame.

As far as videos, ChessNetwork on YouTube is a great channel and the guy who runs it offers great insight and plays a LOT.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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By the way, there is a very interesting tournament going on currently -- TCEC, unofficial computer chess championship [1]. The main intrigue of the tournament is the fight between Stockfish and Komodo. Houdini, dominating engine in the last few years, already lost any chances to go into the superfinal -- two very strong challengers, Komodo and Stockfish, in the last few months were able to eat huge advantage of Houdi…

What are their ELO rating estimates? I was a high school player and used to mess around with Rybka, but I haven't looked into computer chess in years.

According to CCRL [1], Komodo 6 and Stockfish 4 are 20-25 Elo weaker than Houdini 3 (in the last few years Rybka wasn't able to compete with Houdini, in TCEC it wasn't even able to qualify into Stage 4). However TCEC uses development versions of Komodo and Stockfish that are much stronger than their latest stable releases.

[1] http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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I'm an experienced poker player however I'm an absolute chess novice. Aside from the obvious "just practice" advice, what are the best resources to fall back on in terms of books, videos etc if I wanted to learn the game in significant depth?

I know this is cliche, but I think the single most effective way to improve is to play a lot, then review your games with a player that is stronger than you and have them point out better moves you could have made, explain your thought process, etc. If you don't have a stronger player available to look at your games (I can look at a few :) ), then just replay them yourself, look for moves where the game turned towards one player and things you could have done better. Or, plug them into a computer program and see what moves the computer suggests, and then ask yourself why the computer is suggesting them.

For books, I started out by reading a few books by Yasser Seirawan. Two titles I particularly found helpful are "Winning Chess Strategies" and "Winning Chess Tactics". Seirawan is a good writer and both titles do a really good job explaining their concepts to players new to the game. Jeremy Silman wrote a book called "The Amateur's Mind" which I thought was pretty good, that compares thought processes between amateurs, intermediate, and expert level players across similar positions.

One other idea is to simply get a book that is a collection of annotated master/grandmaster games, set up a board, make some coffee, and replay through them. Review the authors notes. Replay them again. Get a sense for the openings being used and the different strategies. Two good collections are "The Mammoth Book of Greatest Chess Games" by Burgess and "The Most Instructive Chess Games Played" (can't remember author).

Chess.com is a great free place to play. They have free tournaments and games online, you can get a rating, track your progress, etc. If you do a paid membership, you get access to videos, tutorials etc. I just use the free membership, so I can't comment as to how good these videos are, but at least to me they look solid.

Good luck. Happy to help more offline (maybe trade for poker tips :) )

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