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Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by kzrdude »

kamaal wrote: post #17
Cherian wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think age has a lot to do in chess?

Well I don't know much about chess, but I've read some chess history off late. I think age should not be an issue. But sometimes people go through rough times. It happens, people don't stay in form and the added pressure of the event makes people more desperate and to act in urgency. Big blunders happen in such situations. This isn't just restricted to chess. In nearly walk of life this happens. I know some very bril…

Anand seems to have some frustrations. In an interview he lamented that he reached GM at the age of 18, while the youngest have been able to do that at 12 or 13 (Magnus at 13). He's not content with being the world champion, he wants to be the youngest, most talented, etc too. Can't have everything.

Since internet commentary is always interpreted with a negative tone, I'll edit to add: Anand is a fascinating personality and very sympathetic. I hoped he'd score 1 point today :-)

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by dfan »

jrs99 wrote: post #19
dfan wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure there's a comparison. Kasparov maxed out at 79 points higher than the second-rated player (Kramnik). Carlsen is currently 70 points higher than the second-rated player (Aronian). By the way, Fischer at his peak was 125 points ahead of the second-rated player, Spassky.

James Harden is may be the best shooting guard in the NBA right now. Jordan was the best shooting guard in his time.

I was specifically responding to the claim that there was no comparison of their "dominance": that is, how good they are/were relative to their competition.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by kadabra9 »

jrs99 wrote: post #19
dfan wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure there's a comparison. Kasparov maxed out at 79 points higher than the second-rated player (Kramnik). Carlsen is currently 70 points higher than the second-rated player (Aronian). By the way, Fischer at his peak was 125 points ahead of the second-rated player, Spassky.

James Harden is may be the best shooting guard in the NBA right now. Jordan was the best shooting guard in his time.

I agree that Carlsen isn't quite at Kasparov's level of dominance yet (he's only 22), but the James Harden analogy is a poor one. Harden is a great player (say someone like Aronian in the chess world) but isn't quite a once in a generation talent like, say, Lebron James.

I think it's quite fair to call Carlsen the Lebron James of chess.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by TylerE »

rikacomet wrote: post #20

The worst part about that match is, Anand spent 50+ minute on one move, to loose all the time advantage he had pushed carlsen into. First I thought, it was to make Carlsen loose his nerve, but he lost his own nerve, by moving Qe4, instead of slow push hh4. That was the turning point :( He went from winning position to a clear loss. Also, I don't get the point of resigning, on this level, it should be a fight till the…

Saving mental energy.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by dfan »

Cherian wrote: post #9
ibsathish wrote: post #3

Clearly shows a paradigm shift with the new generation taking over. Anand is around 44 years now and it's quite obvious that his mental reflexes would have slowed down while Carlsen is just half his age. Welcome Magnus, you are a prodigy. A real one.

Do you think age has a lot to do in chess?

Chess players typically peak in their 30s, and it's very difficult (though of course not impossible) for players to stay world-class through their 40s. This is one reason everyone has been so impressed with the play of Boris Gelfand (45) this year.

See the age distribution of the top players in the world here (last column): http://2700chess.com/

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by kzrdude »

kadabra9 wrote: post #6

What's really scary about Carlsen is I don't think he's close to reaching his full potential yet. He's rapidly approaching the level of dominance in elite chess not seen since Fischer or Kasparov, and he's only 22. I can't think of anyone in the next Candidate's Tournament that would be a serious threat to take Carlsen's title, aside from maybe Kramnik. I'm also really interested to see the impact Carlsen winning the…

Allegedly Carlsen has said that he "didn't know anything about chess when I became world #1", reflecting over the amount he had learned since then. I don't understand what that can be, but I'm no chess player..

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by jrs99 »

jrs99 wrote: post #19
dfan wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure there's a comparison. Kasparov maxed out at 79 points higher than the second-rated player (Kramnik). Carlsen is currently 70 points higher than the second-rated player (Aronian). By the way, Fischer at his peak was 125 points ahead of the second-rated player, Spassky.

James Harden is may be the best shooting guard in the NBA right now. Jordan was the best shooting guard in his time.

I'll agree that the analogy is poor. But I think Carlsen is not the Lebron of chess. Not yet at least. Not with his end game.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by jrs99 »

jrs99 wrote: post #19
dfan wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure there's a comparison. Kasparov maxed out at 79 points higher than the second-rated player (Kramnik). Carlsen is currently 70 points higher than the second-rated player (Aronian). By the way, Fischer at his peak was 125 points ahead of the second-rated player, Spassky.

James Harden is may be the best shooting guard in the NBA right now. Jordan was the best shooting guard in his time.

you can't compare the numbers. you have to look at their games in the era in which they were played.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by Someone »

dfan wrote: post #15
jrs99 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carlsen is not dominant as Kasparov. He may get there, but right now, there's no comparison.

Sure there's a comparison. Kasparov maxed out at 79 points higher than the second-rated player (Kramnik). Carlsen is currently 70 points higher than the second-rated player (Aronian). By the way, Fischer at his peak was 125 points ahead of the second-rated player, Spassky.

Ratings and differences of ratings may not be comparable across time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system#Ratings_infla...: "It is commonly believed that, at least at the top level, modern ratings are inflated."

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by jrs99 »

kzrdude wrote: post #26
kadabra9 wrote: post #6

What's really scary about Carlsen is I don't think he's close to reaching his full potential yet. He's rapidly approaching the level of dominance in elite chess not seen since Fischer or Kasparov, and he's only 22. I can't think of anyone in the next Candidate's Tournament that would be a serious threat to take Carlsen's title, aside from maybe Kramnik. I'm also really interested to see the impact Carlsen winning the…

Allegedly Carlsen has said that he "didn't know anything about chess when I became world #1", reflecting over the amount he had learned since then. I don't understand what that can be, but I'm no chess player..

it may mean he went from being a more calculating type of player(tactical), which you can win many games with, to being a more positional type of player (strategical) which takes a much greater understanding of the game.
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