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Xbox One: The Review

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Re: Xbox One: The Review

#81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that it's closed source so who can really tell? And even if it is now, who says a 'security update' won't change that in the future?

Except that it's closed source so who can really tell? Anyone with a computer and Wireshark. And even if it is now, who says a 'security update' won't change that in the future? Do we want to get into justifications about what could possibly be done with a technology and therefore refuse to use said technology? I've heard Kinect could identify the guns in your house and send the police automatically!

> Anyone with a computer and Wireshark.

The data is encrypted.

Re: Xbox One: The Review

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If you've ever complained about surveillance then I don't see how you could even consider buying this. >Kinect is also used for lots of little things throughout the Xbox One's user experience. Profiles support fast facial recognition for sign-in. Once a profile has a face associated with it, the console will sign that person in whenever they sit in front of the console — it even says hello. Controllers sync automatic…

>If you've ever complained about surveillance then I don't see how you could even consider buying this. If I was concerned about surveillance, I wouldn't consider buying anything in the future, because sadly this is going to be the future. Google's Moto X is an always listening device and being a phone I am more likely to carry it around everywhere. Like it or not, the truth is that the average Joe doesn't care about…

"...I wouldn't consider buying anything in the future, because..."

Did you miss it? You can just say "...because surveillance". [1] :P

I often wonder about half the things running on my phone and since removing some might make it useless I leave it be (not my domain so probably simplified a lot).

I really fail to see how listening in all the time is for convenience though. If that 'feature' was disabled the device would still be just as convenient.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6765099

Re: Xbox One: The Review

#83
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My thoughts exactly. Having two and a half pages of empty green before the article seems like pointless insanity to me.

I think you two must be using an older browser that doesn't support SVG properly. The green area contains an animated wireframe of an Xbox One.

Well Firefox 25 gave me the same bug

Re: Xbox One: The Review

#84
Is anyone else really bothered by these pullout quotes? They are repeating basically 25% of the content on any given page. I'm reading the article, you don't have to lure me in like in a magazine. If you want to summarize, can't you just do it at the top of the page?

Re: Xbox One: The Review

#85
I don't understand how they can call the Xbox One's appearance to be dull/boring/unsubtle, when they simultaneously praise Sony's effort as beautiful.

To me they look virtually identical. They only difference is the PS4 has a groove in it.

Re: Xbox One: The Review

#86
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This is obviously an advertisement rather than an actual review. I think I know what's relevant though. Its a powerful gaming PC with a new significantly improved although still imperfect Kinect. Anyway its funny that so many people can't tell the difference between a commercial and a review.

Actually the review seemed kind of negative on balance. Indeed, the PS4 review they did was also kind of hot and cold.

Re: Xbox One: The Review

#87
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Again, focusing on the presentation rather than the content, I'm extremely impressed with the integration of advertising on the page, using position:fixed to lock it in place while the content scrolls over it. If we go with the assumption that advertising is a necessary evil, this isn't a bad direction in which to take it.

Are they using a specific presentation framework or is this a homegrown layout? I agree that the integration of advertising is nearly seamless and does not feel intrusive at all. In fact, when scrolling quickly, I thought the Madden 25 ad was part of the content.

Re: Xbox One: The Review

#88

If you've ever complained about surveillance then I don't see how you could even consider buying this. >Kinect is also used for lots of little things throughout the Xbox One's user experience. Profiles support fast facial recognition for sign-in. Once a profile has a face associated with it, the console will sign that person in whenever they sit in front of the console — it even says hello. Controllers sync automatic…

I would say that people, and their reasons for objecting to surveillance or having privacy concerns far are more complicated and varied than you are imagining. Some of the people who have expressed concerns may be:

Citizens concerned about government officials overstepping constitutional bounds and lying about it, but not particularly concerned about the practical consequences of the surveillance.

Activists for whom NSA surveillance confirms that government is not on the side of the people, but whose sense of history leads them to the conclusion that if massive FBI files, Jim Crow laws, and lynching did not stop the Civil Rights movement, metadata is unlikely to prevent the arc of history bending towards justice.

“Airbus nationalists” in Europe who are, in their heart, more concerned about the fact the EU seems to be incapable of developing a Facebook, Google, Twitter, ect. They may ape the language of their fellow citizens whose privacy concerns are based on Nazi/Stasi/etc. historical experience, but actually view cloud computing as industrial policy struggle. Video game manufacture is likely not their strategic priority.

People with specific consequentialist privacy concerns. For example, someone who hates Facebook because it has caused something embarrassing to be shared without their truly informed consent. They may be indifferent to the notion that embarrassing information is hidden on a government database, and they may actually welcome and value that Google algorithms leverage their g-mail and search history to serve up more relevant ads.

People who once cared, but are so sick of monomaniacs hijacking every HN discussion that they are looking forward to buying an Xbox One simply as a sign of contempt. They likely also once were vaguely sympathetic to Google Reader users, but now see the product discontinuation as just punishment of tiresome and entitled whiners.

You may feel that all of these types of people are wrongheaded, but change often happens because large groups of loosely affiliated people band together, and rarely because zealots double down and fail to see why anyone might consider a different point of view.

Re: Xbox One: The Review

#89
They also thoroughly reviewed the PS4, and the review was also pretty mixed. Overall, I'm not tempted to buy either device (10+s to wake from sleep seems infuriating; my AppleTV takes about that long and it drives me bonkers).

My take on the next gen consoles is that it's not clear there will be any winners. The current generation hasn't actually been profitable for either Microsoft or Sony, and the economics of the industry have, if anything, gotten worse. (Sure, the market is bigger, but if you're selling the platform at a loss hoping to profit on licensing then you need the cost per game to remain steady or go up.)

And there's the other shoe: iOS / Android / Steam / Linux. E.g. if Apple were to release an iOS console (i.e. AppleTV on steroids) sometime in the next two years they could leave Microsoft and Sony to eat their loss leaders and take a huge chunk of the market away. (In general, Apple's 30% cut of games is smaller than what the games companies pay to retailers and platform licensees, and Apple could always lower it if necessary.)

Overall I think it's kind of a nightmare scenario:

1) Long wait since previous generation, so expectations are sky-high.

2) Each platform has been hit by at least one scandal -- PS4's bricking, Xbox One pricing model backdown followed by 720p launch titles (WTF?!)

3) Neither platform offering elegant out-of-box solutions despite numerous complaints with the previous generation (seriously, every time I launch my PS3 it needs to patch, and the same problem is in the PS4 and Xbox One).

4) Underwhelming launch titles.

Sony and Microsoft think they can ship a half-baked product and fix it over the next year or two, just like it "worked" for the previous generation (that pretty much lost them both money).

Re: Xbox One: The Review

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The article was well matched to its topic; like modern video games, its flashy and high tech, but nothing new or interesting. I had to laugh at the kinect video. The white/beige featureless walls with no human pictures in its field of view, the actors wearing extremely high contrast clothes, the incredible cinematography style smooth and even lighting... My real world experiences with the kinect on a 360 have been su…

> Hey, all you need to do, is remodel and redecorate your home and buy new clothes... A friend of mine is an editor for a tech magazine, and has been playing with the Xbone (I totally read that as EX-bone now...) -- the Kinect is a thousand times better now, in that regard.

Then they should have done a video in my somewhat less well lit living room, with a couch that's the same color as my wife's shirt, and a stereotypical wedding pix in the background and peculiar shadows.

If its higher performance, well, show it!

The real killer is the concept. The highest performance way to do "up down enter" on a menu is obviously a controller not an arm and camera.

Kinect doesn't have to work very well for my daughter to have fun with her dance games. But for a UI to a menu, it does kinda actually have to work all the time, which is a meta-UI issue. If it was just a dancin' jumpin' peripheral, which its "good enough" for, then I'd be very happy, but no its gotta be implemented as the worlds cruddiest most aggravating menu navigation system, which makes it an epic fail.

My carpenters hammer is a great tool for nail installation, but an epic fail at screw installation and forcing everyone to use hammers to install screws is just going to piss people off.

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