Alternatively, why not think of it this way: If you disagree with what's being done on YouTube, delete your account and move on. Nobody's forcing anyone to comment or maintain a Google account. If you're going to be there, you play by their rules. What's the point in bitching about Google's changes in policy when Google isn't forcing you to use their product and when you can leave when you want to.
Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
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Re: Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
#172A comment I left a few weekends ago, which addressed the same topic but before the Youtube/G+ story broke: [0] "Hijacking the top comment to talk about a big concern I have. This EFF article argues that there's a place for Anonymity on the Internet [1], and I think most of us agree (especially if we emphathize with those in Iran, China, Syria, and the like). But what HNers must realize is the following: The mainstrea…
Fucking frustrating that everyday pseudo anonymity gets wrapped up with NSA style information slurping. If your threat is "The NSA can de-anonymise my online accounts" then you're fucked and very little you can do will protect you. If your threat is "Some 14 year old fuckwit on YouTube can de-anonymise my online accounts" then it makes a lot of sense to ask Google to stop being such cunts with Google+ Please for the…
There could well be serious consequences should we fail to fully address the attacks on privacy, freedom, and democracy by our own political/military establishment(s).
It will be interesting to see just how ''fucking idiotic'' the well funded gvt agencies become now that they are being challenged head-on.
How many terrorists™ are among us? How many terrorists™ walk in the high ranks of the international political/financial system?
Re: Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
#173A comment I left a few weekends ago, which addressed the same topic but before the Youtube/G+ story broke: [0] "Hijacking the top comment to talk about a big concern I have. This EFF article argues that there's a place for Anonymity on the Internet [1], and I think most of us agree (especially if we emphathize with those in Iran, China, Syria, and the like). But what HNers must realize is the following: The mainstrea…
Fucking frustrating that everyday pseudo anonymity gets wrapped up with NSA style information slurping. If your threat is "The NSA can de-anonymise my online accounts" then you're fucked and very little you can do will protect you. If your threat is "Some 14 year old fuckwit on YouTube can de-anonymise my online accounts" then it makes a lot of sense to ask Google to stop being such cunts with Google+ Please for the…
Re: Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think everyone has to leave Google for you to have productive anonymous discussions. For what it's worth, I think reputations (under anonymous usenames) are A very important component in having accountability and quality in discussions.
Anonymity is vital for many types of discussions. Can you imagine HN working if people were required to put their name and job titles ? Just because someone works for Microsoft for example does that make their support or criticism of the company any less valuable. Or what about all the political discussions where there could be legitimate fears of reprisal by government agencies.
It's easy to find my name from my HN userid. If you google it, my first name comes up tied to other accounts.
But if you search for my name, HN does not come up on the first page at least.
Nevertheless, I'm sort-of conscious that what I post on HN is easy to tie to me real-world.
On Reddit, I use another username. Not because I'm particularly worried about individuals making the connection - if you look through my comment history on Reddit, it is fairly trivial to figure out who I am. The other direction is slightly trickier, but probably not much.
But I don't want someone just casually typing my name into Google to get page up and page down with comments I have made in what amounts to casual conversations.
That Google does not appear to understand that compartmentalisation is part and parcel part of social interaction, and that people put an enormous amount of effort into adjusting their identity for different situations, or if they do understand choose to willingly and knowingly ignore it, says heaps about the company. I don't know which alternative is worst, but it's one more reason to tell the Google recruiters to go away next time they call...
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are vastly overgeneralizing. Have you ever digged into the heavily moderated subreddits? The front page is not particularly representative of the positive parts of anonymity that spenvo is talking about. I am a very active reddit user and respectfully, you have no clue what you are talking about. In fact, I would go so far as to say that reddit as a whole is representative of the younger ( American society , not…
I don’t want to derail this topic any further, but I’m quite familiar with reddit, and I would disagree that “reddit as a whole” is very heterogeneous or representative of the vast diversity of younger Americans. At a minimum, reddit’s mainstream is dominated by people belonging to a certain archetype—under 30, perhaps, but certainly also white and male and textbook brogressive[0]—resulting in thoroughly predictable…
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed on all points, but I'd just like to add: Never saw the issue with YouTube comments. Always was much ado about nothing. So people were immature - it's funny. So people were insulting - grow up, they're having fun. This whole movement to control YouTube comments reeks more of management's personal embarrassment that their customers weren't as serious and high class as they. Again, grow up. Not everyone is like y…
On a point I agree but not everyone has a thick skin to deal with the constant abuse some YouTubers face and they shouldn't have to. But ultimately I believe the whole policy of linking Google Plus account to YouTube was to clean it up so it looks good for advertisers. They do not want their brand associated with some of the homophobic, sexist and racist comments some were posting.
Re: Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
#177I feel like some people who claim they want privacy really don't value their privacy, but instead value something else (I hypothesize that it's just control) that seems like privacy. You can find this poster's name by using Google Image search to link to her Flickr then from there she has her domain registered with her full name and address. (this pattern is pretty common, by that, I mean, given some identifying info…
And, yes, I really do value my privacy -- but, since my own knowledge of trackback information is limited (and Google Image Search is much more recent than the creation of my personal site), it's less that I don't value my privacy, and more that I failed to foresee that using the same profile photo (not even name/nym) on more than one site would create a security vulnerability.
I appreciate the heads-up, but, again, this only emphasizes the issues of Google (and the issue of requiring personal information to be visible on WHOIS to anyone other than government agencies) encroaching on personal privacy and the ability to compartmentalize profiles between different services.
I'm a different person on G+, Flickr, FB, LJ, etc. -- I tailor my posts to the interest groups that I share in various locations (and my perception of my own privacy -- I realize that a subpoena would break the security of a friends-locked post on LJ, but it's at least a relatively private space to share more personal information, whereas my profile on G+ has been more deliberately forward-facing, because I was interested in engaging with people outside my existing trust circle.
Putting my real name into YouTube actually was the problem that sparked my original post -- but it's symptomatic of a larger issue, the deliberate contraction of the ability to create persistent pseudonyms and personae that are consistent within the bounds of a single social network, but aren't necessarily easily trackable/connectible by a random stranger.
(I will say -- finding this out did decrease my sense of safety, since it's obvious that my intent to compartmentalize by using different persistent nyms, and building reputation under each nym, which can vary based on platform, was insufficient to protect a casual observer from landing on what COULD have been my actual name and address, had I not deliberately decided to risk the loss of my domain by putting in information that was designed to trap spammers -- i.e., if I got something addressed to that specific name, I knew that it was coming from someone who had looked up the WHOIS info.)
Re: Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
This. It's too bad Google conflated their technical goal of a unified login system with their policy goal of whatever-their-policy-goal-is — probably something to do with knowing more about their users and/or getting them to interact with social features more.
Which is pretty funny to me, because this flat-out guarantees that I will not use their social features. As a currently non-transitioning trans woman, there are a great many YouTube videos that I enjoy but absolutely can not have associated with my legal name.
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#179https://plus.google.com/u/0/102524008019896509925/posts/ivyA...
However, there are significant safety issues associated with requiring people to use their legal names for online discussions, and I think that it will seriously muzzle political dissent, social movements which don't currently enjoy mainstream support, gender and sexual minority group discussions, the creation of "safe spaces" (which, I realize, are something of an illusion, but still have value), and vigorous intellectual discourse.
I certainly wouldn't have been comfortable being as politically and socially outspoken as I am on G+ (a deliberately public-facing persona with a unique nym for that purpose), if I had been forced to use my full legal name for the purpose.
Given some of the hate and harassment that has been directed my way (and, honestly, I've gotten off light compared to many), I absolutely would not feel safe engaging in some of those discussions if my name, phone number, and location were easily accessible.
I know that it's difficult to completely compartmentalize between nyms and platform identities, but I think that the ability to choose which face is forward, appropriate to the social group that you're engaging with, is an important part of the human experience.
If you don't want your boss and your grandmother reading your opinions on politics, social issues, sexuality, etc., then a pseudonym is the obvious answer -- and I've seen any number of sites (LiveJournal is a particular favorite) implement granular controls on privacy, in order to establish nym identity and reputation, while still allowing users to speak to their chosen audience.
Can you ever be truly private? Probably not. But it's important to be able to have some form of shield from the casual observer, to have a name and identity that you choose, rather than having one chosen for you, which may reveal far more than you intended.
Yes, I post publicly on G+, and sacrifice some level of privacy in doing so -- I do it because I enjoy the level of discourse on that site, and talking with interesting strangers is part of the fun. On the other hand, I deliberately didn't link that profile with any of my other online identities . . . and, while I may not have done a perfect job of it, I at least did my best to create walls between those personae.
As Dredmorbius said, it's important that users be able to maintain those walls if they choose, without a service provider choosing to collapse them and merge those identities without permission. By using their services, I did not consent to that action (in fact, repeatedly refused their attempts to do so), and if given a choice between leaving the Google-services hive and having my legal identity attached to everything I've ever written, I'd leave.
What is deceptive and duplicitous about this latest G+/YouTube action, is that many users who expressly refused the "offer" to merge accounts were merged without permission, and often those merges revealed personal information that the users had not chosen to share with YouTube.
I find that intensely disturbing, and I am seriously hoping that some type of action is taken against Google, as with Buzz, regarding the breach of private user information.
Re: Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
#180I've got an especially unique last name as well. So much so that I'm absolutely sure nobody in the world has my full name, and, as far as I'm aware, it's possible my dad and I are the only people in the united states with the same first/last name (of the 7 total on facebook, only 3 are in North America). My brother and sister are in a similar boat, thanks to unique spelling of their names. From my last name alone, I'…
She used an alias that would be recognizable to her classmates -- but, like you, she didn't want her legal name to be easily searchable by prospective employers, health-insurance companies, estranged family members, bad-breakup exes, etc.
But, yes -- having a unique name makes anonymity and privacy more complex. And it shouldn't -- it penalizes people for the name they were BORN with, just because they can't blend into a sea of Bob/Joe/Sue/Tran/Wei names, which are more common.
The ability to create a persistent pseudonym and to use it for unmuzzled online discourse is especially vital for people who would be all-too-easy to track down otherwise . . . but I think that it's still essential in terms of free-speech and privacy concerns for everyone.