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Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by jlgreco »

praptak wrote: post #151
sillysaurus2 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parodies are usually funny because they're true. The citations in HN comments are some of the most valuable contributions to the site. This whole post is depressing. Far from lighthearted fun, these comments all have an undercurrent of hostility ("wannabe-academic"). The mosaic formed by these comments imply pg has harmed the world by creating HN. But that couldn't be further from the truth. Imagine where you'd be fo…

Coming unprepared to 4chan and reading its take on anything (including 4chan itself) leads to the conclusion that it harms the world and its creators should be ashamed of the fact they haven't committed suicide yet.

What a vile thing to say. Then again, this is 4chan, so I shouldn't be supri...oh nope. I switched back to the HN tab. This is praptak, pretending to be high and mighty on HN, proving himself wrong in the same breath.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by anigbrowl »

sillysaurus2 wrote: post #53
_l4lu wrote: post #43

How could they have left out the patronizing irrelevant [0] links [1] to Wikipedia [2] in all the wannabe-academic [3] comments with references[4]? (and yes, references must be 0-based [5]) [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevance [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_resource_locator [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academia [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation [5…

Parodies are usually funny because they're true. The citations in HN comments are some of the most valuable contributions to the site. This whole post is depressing. Far from lighthearted fun, these comments all have an undercurrent of hostility ("wannabe-academic"). The mosaic formed by these comments imply pg has harmed the world by creating HN. But that couldn't be further from the truth. Imagine where you'd be fo…

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Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by seszett »

sillysaurus2 wrote: post #53
_l4lu wrote: post #43

How could they have left out the patronizing irrelevant [0] links [1] to Wikipedia [2] in all the wannabe-academic [3] comments with references[4]? (and yes, references must be 0-based [5]) [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevance [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_resource_locator [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academia [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation [5…

Parodies are usually funny because they're true. The citations in HN comments are some of the most valuable contributions to the site. This whole post is depressing. Far from lighthearted fun, these comments all have an undercurrent of hostility ("wannabe-academic"). The mosaic formed by these comments imply pg has harmed the world by creating HN. But that couldn't be further from the truth. Imagine where you'd be fo…

> Imagine where you'd be forced to go if HN didn't exist, for example.

If you're saying that, I think you're actually part of the problem. Don't get your news and discussions from only one place on the web. There are lots more and it doesn't cost you anything visiting other places and reading comments from other people. The only risk is reading elsewhere something that didn't get to HN's frontpage.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by loser777 »

I was on 4chan /g/ basically every moment where I had more than an hour's worth of computer time from around 2010 to mid 2013. In those days as a PC hardware enthusiast and someone who was just beginning to use GNU/Linux, I felt I fit in with the culture fairly well. Of course, there was always "shitposting," but I found the amount of garbage to be tolerable.

As I finished high school and started diving more deeply into GNU/Linux, reading /g/ slowly became less and less enjoyable. At one point, I became so jaded that I felt I understood rms's famous quote regarding /g/: "I tried to look at that page but saw online inane comments." I guess I wasn't as much of a fan of the battlestations, rms memes, desktops, and riced-out GNU/Linux desktops as I previously was.

However, /g/'s influence on me will never be lost. Even after reading more and more hacker news, I still prefer the anonymous style of posting. I say GNU/Linux instead of Linux. (It may be a bit ironic that I learned about rms through a forum where he is a meme that is usually portrayed negatively.) And, to be be honest, I still kind of like battlestation threads (though I may read more usesthis.com instead of /g/). I will also probably never buy any apple products.

Thank you to whomever posted this on /g/, as it really opened my eyes as to how large the intersection of these two communities really is. Perhaps I'll drop by again sometime.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by saraid216 »

sixothree wrote: post #155
neya wrote: post #61

Sadly, most of the things on there are true. We can try to deny it all we want, but most of the stuff that's there is true. The power of anonymity is that you get to voice honest opinions without tying it up with your identity and/or feeling responsible for it. Of course, this can be argued otherwise too, by citing some (bad) comments as example from that thread, but for the most part, what you see there are honest c…

As someone who lives outside of sv, it seems like they're not describing a site but a place. So while visits to HN can do worlds of good to my intellectual curiosity, this post is a nice reminder that I don't actually have to endure this disgusting mindset on a daily basis. Thankfully. tldr; you people are awesomely sickening. Oh yeah, and they forgot to add "How I quit my job and traveled the third world on just a '…

"In Silicon Valley" is on my list of things that deal break a job offer for me. Pretty much the only reason I'd go back there is "actually changing the world" or maybe possibly "my wife has a really good reason".

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by mion »

The jokes are so accurate I'd conjecture there's a huge intersection between the two communities.

Huumm... Except the fact that, arguably, I don't normally conjecture outside HN [1].

[1] I actually want to see what pg has got to essay about this. Just wait until the Arcstar is ready...

Please hold your downvotes I kid, I kid. Most of this (rather funny) criticism is geared towards SV culture in general, I guess, as HN is just a reflection of that plus common nerd/hacker/engineer/smart-kid-outcast behavior. Apart from the idiosyncrasies of large communities that HN is not invulnerable to, I actually have found great content here. And yes, I'm a white college kid in his early twenties with big ambitions, pg is my hero and I don't feel like getting a job at IBM -- that doesn't mean I'm going to chase a $1B exit with Instagram for Squirrels+social+toilets alongside my other rich friends, replacing cancer research with tweets and fucking up the economy while at it. I'm broke and from another country like many people here, and despite the stupid media frenzy, snarky HN comments, bubble or not and so on, I still want to be part of all this. Why? Because I'm young, stupid and want to see what it's like.

I guess this is what the world's greatest engine of innovation looks like: a bunch of young and stupid nerds from another country.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by darkmighty »

moot wrote: post #65
GhotiFish wrote: post #46

4chan's commenting system is simultaneously more annoying, and more enjoyable to use. The backtrack style lets you follow conversations, but it doesn't become a nested nightmare. Backtracks also highlight comments of importance or significance. the Reddit/HN system is hunting the most valuable comments through democracy, but it throws that work out because of its visible tree structure. People can ride the top post.…

I loathe nested comments and vastly prefer inline quote previews and backlinks. Then again, I'm biased.

Well, they're not mutually exclusive, reddit has both a flat 'new' and 'top' comments -- new is 4chan-like and top is hn-like with an interesting strategy with fancy nonlinear time-decaying importance.

But this is of course one of those cases where they decided to make a choice, and they clearly favor the "top" structure.

Honestly I think they could have meshed the two better, though.

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