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Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by SwellJoe »

daliwali wrote: post #128
SwellJoe wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some folks probably should feel tied down by their reputation/ego. Casual sexism, misogyny, racism, homophobia, etc. for a laugh brings the entire discussion down to a level that I don't have any desire to participate in. I think anonymity is awesome. But, 4chan is often on par with YouTube in terms of the quality of its comments. Sure, there's some smart kids there (some younger friends of mine are regularly channer…

So you are saying that we should abandon freedom of expression and attach IDs to anyone who has anything to say, in order to instigate retribution against those who disagree with your worldview? How will this not lead to censorship (and self-censorship) and hugboxing? If you don't want to participate in an anonymous discussion, that's your choice, but don't try to deprive others of it.

Nope. Not what I said, at all. I said that several people on 4chan are assholes, and there's a culture that supports that assholery.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by br78 »

moot wrote: post #65
GhotiFish wrote: post #46

4chan's commenting system is simultaneously more annoying, and more enjoyable to use. The backtrack style lets you follow conversations, but it doesn't become a nested nightmare. Backtracks also highlight comments of importance or significance. the Reddit/HN system is hunting the most valuable comments through democracy, but it throws that work out because of its visible tree structure. People can ride the top post.…

I loathe nested comments and vastly prefer inline quote previews and backlinks. Then again, I'm biased.

Can I ask if you have any views about voting and hierarchy display of comments? What sort of commentary culture that produces?

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by wfunction »

sfrechtling wrote: post #100
wfunction wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

*HN culture

As an Australian, my viewpoint into Silicon Valley culture is through HackerNews. What are the main differences then?

Well, not everyone here is ripping off existing products and adding Bootstrap to them. :) A few startups working on other things are...

https://angel.co/boosted-boards

https://angel.co/counsyl

https://angel.co/crowdmed

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by goronbjorn »

sillysaurus2 wrote: post #53
_l4lu wrote: post #43

How could they have left out the patronizing irrelevant [0] links [1] to Wikipedia [2] in all the wannabe-academic [3] comments with references[4]? (and yes, references must be 0-based [5]) [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevance [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_resource_locator [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academia [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation [5…

Parodies are usually funny because they're true. The citations in HN comments are some of the most valuable contributions to the site. This whole post is depressing. Far from lighthearted fun, these comments all have an undercurrent of hostility ("wannabe-academic"). The mosaic formed by these comments imply pg has harmed the world by creating HN. But that couldn't be further from the truth. Imagine where you'd be fo…

> Imagine where you'd be forced to go if HN didn't exist, for example.

Outside, maybe?

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by ThomPete »

neya wrote: post #61

Sadly, most of the things on there are true. We can try to deny it all we want, but most of the stuff that's there is true. The power of anonymity is that you get to voice honest opinions without tying it up with your identity and/or feeling responsible for it. Of course, this can be argued otherwise too, by citing some (bad) comments as example from that thread, but for the most part, what you see there are honest c…

Whats so sad about it?

HN beats any other news site out there hands down and the comments although having declined in quality slightly it's still better than most out there.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by mion »

moot wrote: post #65
GhotiFish wrote: post #46

4chan's commenting system is simultaneously more annoying, and more enjoyable to use. The backtrack style lets you follow conversations, but it doesn't become a nested nightmare. Backtracks also highlight comments of importance or significance. the Reddit/HN system is hunting the most valuable comments through democracy, but it throws that work out because of its visible tree structure. People can ride the top post.…

I loathe nested comments and vastly prefer inline quote previews and backlinks. Then again, I'm biased.

We like quasiquotes and backticks around here.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by daliwali »

SwellJoe wrote: post #131
daliwali wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you are saying that we should abandon freedom of expression and attach IDs to anyone who has anything to say, in order to instigate retribution against those who disagree with your worldview? How will this not lead to censorship (and self-censorship) and hugboxing? If you don't want to participate in an anonymous discussion, that's your choice, but don't try to deprive others of it.

Nope. Not what I said, at all. I said that several people on 4chan are assholes, and there's a culture that supports that assholery.

There are assholes everywhere in this world, including HN. Your point?

>Some folks probably should feel tied down by their reputation/ego.

I'm pretty sure that implies that you don't want the "bigots" in your worldview to be able to express themselves anonymously.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by smsm42 »

daliwali wrote: post #4

I love how anonymity engenders such honest commentary. When people aren't tied down to their reputation/ego, they are free to say what they really think.

You can be anybody on the internet. It is just sad how many people choose to be just random jerks. Somehow those people confuse nihilistic empty sarcasm with "being honest". Usually it has much more with having nothing (else) to say than with being honest.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by babby »

Segmentation wrote: post #88
daliwali wrote: post #4

I love how anonymity engenders such honest commentary. When people aren't tied down to their reputation/ego, they are free to say what they really think.

Anonymity isn't why. You can be anonymous on Hacker News very easily. Most people here are. It's the lack of a karma system that is why people on 4chan post whatever they like.

It's not Karma. It's the fact that your comments are persistent. On 4chan, they have a life between a few minutes and a few days, and that it really. No persistent ID to lay "claim" to your work. It's not about whether someone else can identify you by your comments, its about the psychology of creating something that will exists for an indefinite time, that your peers will read and judge, and thus judge you.

You feel the same feeling even when contributing to 4chan, however, you know it wont matter for long thus it's far less mental weight to deal with.

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