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Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by babby »

AlexMax wrote: post #17
daliwali wrote: post #4

I love how anonymity engenders such honest commentary. When people aren't tied down to their reputation/ego, they are free to say what they really think.

Is it really honest? Anonymous discussion tends to bring out the bigots - there's even some of it in the linked thread - but is it their genuine opinion, or could it be that it's just bored teenagers trying to rile someone up for a laugh?

You bring up an interesting point to discuss.

I see this kind of "shock" throughout the techy mainstreamy politcally correct communities. It seems to me that the people that take issue with bigotry are themselves somehow weak through some kind of insecurity manifesting itself as a desire to fix this perceived "injustice". Because, you know, muh feels.

4chan just doesn't care about your feels. It's funny to say this (see how I am distancing myself from 4chan to add validity to my argument?); but I do think more communities could learn something from 4chan in this aspect.

On a related note; I saw that outrage thread linking in the 4chan post about this black chick getting some dude fired and what not about a non-PC joke at a conference. Then, in the HN thread [1], to my pleasure, at least the top comments were mostly absent of the typical reddity/facebook etc. white knighting "This is why women arent in tech!" nonsense.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5391667

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by Nav_Panel »

minimaxir wrote: post #68
duairc wrote: post #63

I'm actually really surprised they seem to think that the HN community is anti-sexist. Compared to 4chan, maybe, but from my experience it isn't at all.

There have been a few incidents where discussions about gender issues have been very quickly flagged off the front page. Example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6495950

I don't understand why the post you linked would have been flagged. I see nothing at all wrong with it.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by minimaxir »

Nav_Panel wrote: post #82
minimaxir wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been a few incidents where discussions about gender issues have been very quickly flagged off the front page. Example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6495950

I don't understand why the post you linked would have been flagged. I see nothing at all wrong with it.

That's the problem. It was at #3, then immediately dropped off. (see the comments)

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by aspensmonster »

hn_has_piqued wrote: post #56
GhotiFish wrote: post #46

4chan's commenting system is simultaneously more annoying, and more enjoyable to use. The backtrack style lets you follow conversations, but it doesn't become a nested nightmare. Backtracks also highlight comments of importance or significance. the Reddit/HN system is hunting the most valuable comments through democracy, but it throws that work out because of its visible tree structure. People can ride the top post.…

>Shame about the captcha. you were never on 4chan before captchas, were you?

HEY GUYS DOWNLOAD THIS IMAGE AND SAVE IT AS A JS FILE!

Red squares. Red squares everywhere.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by SwellJoe »

daliwali wrote: post #4

I love how anonymity engenders such honest commentary. When people aren't tied down to their reputation/ego, they are free to say what they really think.

Some folks probably should feel tied down by their reputation/ego. Casual sexism, misogyny, racism, homophobia, etc. for a laugh brings the entire discussion down to a level that I don't have any desire to participate in.

I think anonymity is awesome. But, 4chan is often on par with YouTube in terms of the quality of its comments. Sure, there's some smart kids there (some younger friends of mine are regularly channers), and a few not-as-smart oldtimers who ought to have grown out of it by now.

Notice several comments spend a lot of time talking about the people who call out sexism (as white knights, for instance). They're the kind of sexist who thinks that because they don't believe they are sexist, when they say sexist things, it's not actually sexist. The same kind of racist that says racist things, but because they have a black friend who's totally cool with it, it's all good. The kind of folks that do this are mostly young, mostly white, mostly middle class, and mostly assholes who should stop and think before they speak, whether it is an anonymous forum or not. Racist/sexist/misogynist/homophobic behavior is racist/sexist/misogynist/homophobic, and 4chan is full of it, on a scale that no non-anonymous forum would ever be.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by tobyjsullivan »

adamnemecek wrote: post #67
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not just an HN issue. It's a problem in any community where there is a significant ratio of self-professed geeks or the like.

I wonder if there is a relevant xkcd about this very issue.

This one covers it pretty well: http://dynamic.xkcd.com/random/comic/

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by Segmentation »

daliwali wrote: post #4

I love how anonymity engenders such honest commentary. When people aren't tied down to their reputation/ego, they are free to say what they really think.

Anonymity isn't why.

You can be anonymous on Hacker News very easily. Most people here are.

It's the lack of a karma system that is why people on 4chan post whatever they like.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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Post by _l4lu »

sillysaurus2 wrote: post #53
_l4lu wrote: post #43

How could they have left out the patronizing irrelevant [0] links [1] to Wikipedia [2] in all the wannabe-academic [3] comments with references[4]? (and yes, references must be 0-based [5]) [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevance [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_resource_locator [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academia [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation [5…

Parodies are usually funny because they're true. The citations in HN comments are some of the most valuable contributions to the site. This whole post is depressing. Far from lighthearted fun, these comments all have an undercurrent of hostility ("wannabe-academic"). The mosaic formed by these comments imply pg has harmed the world by creating HN. But that couldn't be further from the truth. Imagine where you'd be fo…

You are reading too much into these comments, I think. Just because there are some annoyances on HN doesn't mean it is the embodiment of pure evil.

> Imagine where you'd be forced to go if HN didn't exist, for example.

A better HN. It is possible: HN was such a place a couple years ago. And it can only get worse if the community keeps taking itself too seriously to allow even light-hearted criticism.

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