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Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by arbitrarywords »

walshemj wrote: post #168
arbitrarywords wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming that there is some sort of Star Trek universe remake of the scene from Spartacus, but I can't seem to find it. If so, does it have the same set-up (slave gladiators battling for the amusement of the elites)? I'm not entirely sure this makes sense...

Its actually a reference to the classic gladiator match up with side order of trek in joke's. I must be one of the few HN commentator apart form Matt Cuts who has ever studied the classics.

I was wondering if the explicit naming of the weapons was supposed to refer to that exact scene in the Kubrick movie. Which, given it was one of the triggers of the slave rebellion make the original email seem possibly quite weird.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by arbitrarywords »

bjterry wrote: post #141
arbitrarywords wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming that there is some sort of Star Trek universe remake of the scene from Spartacus, but I can't seem to find it. If so, does it have the same set-up (slave gladiators battling for the amusement of the elites)? I'm not entirely sure this makes sense...

There is a Star Trek episode where Kirk is forced to watch as Spock and McCoy fight as gladiators against Roman guards. There aren't any Klingons involved, but it does feature Roman clothing. There is another episode where alien brains want Kirk, Ohura and Checkov to fight as gladiators on their planet for the rest of their lives. There is a third episode in which Spock and Kirk are forced to fight in front of Vulcan…

Thanks. None of those quite seem to fit the email though. I'm guessing that the allusion in the email must have just been to general Klingon war-like attitudes.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by eli »

brymaster wrote: post #51
joshfraser wrote: post #46

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

These "people" are looking to profit from misery ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6742844 ). Wikileaks is attempting to provide transparency in a world where that doesn't much exist so boo-fucking-hoo if somebody's Mastercard gets leaked in the process. Mass dumps aren't adding any more "ammunition" for their detractors than some sort of filtered dump would. Detractors don't need much of a reason to dislike wha…

Why is it OK to read the email of people who work for groups you don't like? Shouldn't the have the same rights as everyone else? If this is acceptable, why is it wrong when the NSA hacks into email accounts of groups they don't like?

(And putting "people" in scare quotes as if there's some doubt that they're human? Grow up.)

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by eli »

baddox wrote: post #116
eli wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly what cause has been advanced by making them available?

There's a big difference between saying there's something on the Internet for no great cause (stop the presses!) and saying that something on the Internet is causing unfair personal damage.

When is it ever fair to cause someone personal damage? Doesn't there need to be some greater, overriding justification? If not then isn't this just internet mob justice (and as usual, if there's some collateral damage, so be it)?

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Post by duncan_bayne »

loceng wrote: post #55
rickhanlonii wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm about to throw up. Here's what that message was a reply to: -----Original Message----- From: eisenstein@stratfor.com [mailto:eisenstein@stratfor.com] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:02 AM To: Fred Burton Cc: Subject: Re: Reva rocks Will be glad to supply weapons to both sides if India and Pakistan want a cage match. India gets the net and trident and the pakistanis get the shield and short sword. Kamran can…

These people should be hung.

They probably are.

I think you mean hanged.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by arvinjoar »

asdashopping wrote: post #148

https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=363678 Nice.

I was shocked to read through those comments, they didn't seem very professional, and that such blatant racism could go unchecked in such a large and powerful organization as Stratfor seeemed very odd. Anyway, turns out those comments were just pasted from vnnforum, and were not written by Stratfor employees. Now, I don't know why they saw any value in that thread at all, just seems like a bunch of nazis trashing McDonalds, but at least Stratfor didn't write that garbage themselves.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by joshfraser »

frank_boyd wrote: post #135
joshfraser wrote: post #46

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

Sorry man, priorities - you got them wrong. Who cares about a few credit card numbers or "personal love notes" when we find ourselves living in corrupt "democracies" that are about to crumble pretty much all over the Western world.

The strength of your principles can only be tested at the extremes. We can't beat corruption with wishy-washy values and situational ethics.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by ThrowFarAway »

kid0m4n wrote: post #11

Oh, this is so classy: https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=8402 Quote: Oh, they have enough weapons. Now the serious game begins as Reva pointed out. The investigation of the attack is not interesting. I suspect the findings have already been reached before the first investigator got to work. Now the question is how India responds. God willing, the Indian response will make us a lot of money. This after…

He's pretty clearly implying that the investigation is rigged, and therefore uninteresting.

The money comment is a pretty insensitive. That said, a lot of time spent on any particular thing tends to result in serious desensitization to the subject. Go have dinner with a few EMTs and listen to their shop talk. ("He was tasting for air, saying, 'dudegaspam Igaspgonnagasplive?', and all I could muster was, 'dudemock gasp, mock gasp no, mock gasp you aren't mock gasp gonna live!'" Followed by a few rounds of laughter. Got to hear that little gem said just the other night by one of the top Search & Rescue professionals in the world.)

This kind of thing isn't uncommon, or even that big a deal. Few people can withstand the scrutiny of a public life-dump.

Tackiness aside, I don't think it's sufficient evidence for us to call for anyone's hanging or jailing, like some seem to be advocating here.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by ThrowFarAway »

iamshs wrote: post #23
kid0m4n wrote: post #11

Oh, this is so classy: https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=8402 Quote: Oh, they have enough weapons. Now the serious game begins as Reva pointed out. The investigation of the attack is not interesting. I suspect the findings have already been reached before the first investigator got to work. Now the question is how India responds. God willing, the Indian response will make us a lot of money. This after…

Holy damn. Here is one interview of her (Reva Bhalla): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc1gJOPCipY And at the end she is linking the attack to Al Qaeda. I think this is why they are giving her kudos, for planting the seed. This is nefarious on so many levels. This means India directly comes under pressure to respond back to Pakistan, and then respond to allegations that Al Qaeda is expanding in India. It is ironic th…

And why does education/intelligence/morality not keep others from constantly seeking out the perceived inner devil of others?

I'm being serious. You make an awful lot of assumptions about real people there, and ascribe to them the worst possible motives. That's a risky default behavior.

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