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Post by bjterry »

arbitrarywords wrote: post #117
rickhanlonii wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm about to throw up. Here's what that message was a reply to: -----Original Message----- From: eisenstein@stratfor.com [mailto:eisenstein@stratfor.com] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:02 AM To: Fred Burton Cc: Subject: Re: Reva rocks Will be glad to supply weapons to both sides if India and Pakistan want a cage match. India gets the net and trident and the pakistanis get the shield and short sword. Kamran can…

I'm assuming that there is some sort of Star Trek universe remake of the scene from Spartacus, but I can't seem to find it. If so, does it have the same set-up (slave gladiators battling for the amusement of the elites)? I'm not entirely sure this makes sense...

There is a Star Trek episode where Kirk is forced to watch as Spock and McCoy fight as gladiators against Roman guards. There aren't any Klingons involved, but it does feature Roman clothing. There is another episode where alien brains want Kirk, Ohura and Checkov to fight as gladiators on their planet for the rest of their lives. There is a third episode in which Spock and Kirk are forced to fight in front of Vulcans as part of a Vulcan trial-by-combat marriage ceremony. Their is also a fourth episode in Voyager which features a gladiatorial combat but in a sci-fi arena that looks like the set of "Who Wants to be a Millionaire." Those are the only references I could find, but let's just say that this idea has seen its fair share of screen time on Star Trek.

References: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_Circuses_%28Star_Tre... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gamesters_of_Triskelion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amok_Time http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Tsunkatse_%28episode%29

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by anodari »

legutierr wrote: post #75
dandelany wrote: post #64

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You know who else profits from misery? Doctors, and funeral home owners. Pretty much anyone in the media. I certainly hope my doctor isn't making terrible jokes about how much money he's going to make from my disease, but even if he was, it wouldn't be illegal nor would I find it a justifiable reason to leak his personal information (let alone his clients' information!). You also assume everyone is already split into…

I might suggest that doctors and funeral home owners profit by alleviating the misery of others.

An ethical problem happens when the doctor conditions the alleviating of misery with the alleviating of the money from the miserable in moments of greatest weakness of people.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by arca_vorago »

BrandonMarc wrote: post #118

I'm a supporter of the idea of WikiLeaks, if not all of their decisions ... now here's what bugs me: why is it rare (or never) that we see mass dumps of Russian, Chinese, or Pakistani intelligence information? What, there's no corruption, profiteering, or otherwise bad vibes over there? The US has a monopoly on all that? Why does it always have to hurt US intelligence activities (yes: some deserve to be hurt, but jus…

There are plenty of those things, but certain media outlets/"journalists" (Joshua Foust...) have taken this propaganda approach of thinly veiled accusations that Wikileaks only wants to hurt the US and may be a [insert enemy nation] intelligence operation.

It's just a bunch of bullshit. I was reading wikileaks long before the Iraq War logs, and there was before that very little US related leaking.

The interesting thing for you to do is analyze how it is you came to this myopic view of the situation. Who/what have you been reading? Having conversations with? It's a great example of how filter bubbles affect our view of the world.

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Post by InclinedPlane »

ryanwhitney wrote: post #102
dopamean wrote: post #95

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Jesus christ that looks terrible.

Horrible, but this has been online for awhile. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyar-Way5RE

I'm going to say that the video is almost certainly not real and is in fact a training video.

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Post by jheriko »

brymaster wrote: post #51
joshfraser wrote: post #46

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

These "people" are looking to profit from misery ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6742844 ). Wikileaks is attempting to provide transparency in a world where that doesn't much exist so boo-fucking-hoo if somebody's Mastercard gets leaked in the process. Mass dumps aren't adding any more "ammunition" for their detractors than some sort of filtered dump would. Detractors don't need much of a reason to dislike wha…

I respect the ideal behind wikileaks but its not very important, and i believe that it takes a quite considerable amount of naivete to believe that this behaviour is beneficial to the masses rather than the groups and organisations that wikileaks is 'against' (!)

The 'transparency' is only of value for people who are too fucking stupid to understand that people are people no matter what job they are in, and should absolutely be expected to behave this way if there are not checks and balances in place.

Spamming out people's personal details is not just sloppy, it is giving ammunition to criminals and maybe even the target of this press release...

Personally I consider that to be very /wrong/ it may be legal or illegal or whatever, but its just wrong - people can come to some kind of harm as a result of this action. Conversely the benefit is that stupid people get their eyes opened? You can fuck right off frankly...

Noble intentions or not, wikileaks should not give people genuine reasons to attack them. This is precisely one.

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Post by njharman »

grey-area wrote: post #136
joshfraser wrote: post #46

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

Why would people email credit card details?

Because it's not that big of a deal. People's CC number is everywhere. In databases, on receipts, etc. It's a little more risky but so are many things people do daily like owning a Ford truck (some of the most stolen vehicles) or using ATMs.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by njharman »

robomartin wrote: post #52

Question for game theorists: Is here a realistic scenario under which the entire world could disarm and shift from coming up with better ways to kill people to more constructive pursuits. Please don't say "A visit from Vulcans"

> realistic scenario

No. Because humans don't follow game theory. Killing people hasn't come about because of rational application of theories. It comes about from evolution. We, as a race, are aggressive, territorial, greedy, exploiters because that has been, recently, a winning strategy vs the other organisms and environment on this planet. Unfortunately, for us, evolution doesn't care about long term. It's fine with us being wiped out and taking 98.1% of the rest with us. It can always start over with next up and comer organism.

Theory, rationalism, good intentions, nothing is going to override millions of years of genetically programmed behavior.

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