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Re: Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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You're doing it wrong.

He (twiceaday YC14) is following these comments closely. He's using his literacy to enable real-time text-concept-memory translations, with the ability to verbally communicate the contents later, or simply re-type them if the ideas are relevant to later comment threads.

Think of it as "machine learning for humans."

Re: Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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I don't think Microsoft yet sees the demise of desktop as a given, but they are hedging their bets against it. Web, mobile, cloud, &c. are all platforms that are threatening desktop. Microsoft is trying to push into them, not to abandon desktop, but to make sure that they have a foothold regardless of which platform(s) end up dominant in the future. As late entrants into most of these platforms, their strategy is to…

I'm wondering if a lot of moving their products to the cloud is to limit or try to stop pirating of their software. Adobe has been successful thus far with their new Creative Cloud platform.

Creative Cloud applications are still regular applications that are installed on your computer and can run offline.

Re: Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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I like VS. It's a great product. But why on earth Microsoft have to have a finger in every pie? Can't they just focus on some area and make some great products instead of trying to have monopoly in every little area and forcing or bullying everyone to user their product. Just think about it, MS is most earning software company. But is there any field where MS is pioneer or revolutionize something? MS has monopoly in…

> Even now Windows don't have basic feature like..

Hyper-V? Powershell? Search has been in Windows since forever.

Re: Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think Microsoft yet sees the demise of desktop as a given, but they are hedging their bets against it. Web, mobile, cloud, &c. are all platforms that are threatening desktop. Microsoft is trying to push into them, not to abandon desktop, but to make sure that they have a foothold regardless of which platform(s) end up dominant in the future. As late entrants into most of these platforms, their strategy is to…

I'm wondering if a lot of moving their products to the cloud is to limit or try to stop pirating of their software. Adobe has been successful thus far with their new Creative Cloud platform.

Disclaimer: Not speaking in any official PR capacity here. Just sharing my personal opinions as a guy who has been in a bunch of cross-team meetings.

I've been working as a developer in Redmond in "Server & Tools", now called "Server & Cloud", for the better part of a year now. I know for a fact there are teams that work to address piracy, but I personally haven't seen it as a driving force in specific goals.

Without wanting to give away key strategy (not that I even know much) Look at how the company is structured and where the revenue comes from. Our division serves primarily enterprise customers. Enterprise customers are totally loving the cloud and are the primary driver of this demand. So we're focused on delivering a first-rate cloud platform (Azure) and first-rate developer tools (e.g. VS 2013 and cross platform Azure libs) to develop for it.

It seems to be working, our deployments are growing steadily. Public reports claim that we are deploying semicustom data center capacity in markets that impose some localized requirements.

Look at the investment in infrastructure capacity being made here. Such a fundamental shift wouldn't make sense (to me) for the goal of reducing the number of over-deployed licenses, when that could probably instead be addressed with far cheaper (even if annoying) DRM-like solutions.

So again, our customers told us they want cloud, so we're going to build them the best darn cloud ever, not forgetting our experience with their particular needs and requirements.

Re: Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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Speculation here: I wonder if Microsoft sees the fleeting profitability in owning the desktop environment (more competition, shrinking market, higher expectations). So they're trying to apply the same concepts that really helped propel windows as a popular platform (easy to develop for) to their cloud platform (azure) in an attempt to coax their existing user base to start adopting it over other cloud platforms (like…

I worked at a couple big enterprise companies where all our installs of Visual Studio and dev tools were hosted on a separate secure network that we had to RDP into to do development. (Company had famous theft of source code). I wonder if there's something to be said for getting web-based dev environments working well enough in a private cloud setting....I could see that as a future. And then the bonus of not even ca…

Virtualized Desktops are getting better, try to use Visual Studio with some form of PCoIP protocol (VmWare View) and you probably wont notice a difference to a real local desktop.

Modern virtualization capabilities somehow collide with the webapp approach and i wonder where this will go.

Re: Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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post #53

I like VS. It's a great product. But why on earth Microsoft have to have a finger in every pie? Can't they just focus on some area and make some great products instead of trying to have monopoly in every little area and forcing or bullying everyone to user their product. Just think about it, MS is most earning software company. But is there any field where MS is pioneer or revolutionize something? MS has monopoly in…

> Even now Windows don't have basic feature like.. Hyper-V? Powershell? Search has been in Windows since forever.

Virtual desktops, not machines. That being said, those have been in Windows since at least NT4 as a feature of the window manager and plenty of implementations that use other mechanisms to work around the drawbacks of the native method (e.g. being able to move windows between desktops).

Re: Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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Speculation here: I wonder if Microsoft sees the fleeting profitability in owning the desktop environment (more competition, shrinking market, higher expectations). So they're trying to apply the same concepts that really helped propel windows as a popular platform (easy to develop for) to their cloud platform (azure) in an attempt to coax their existing user base to start adopting it over other cloud platforms (like…

I don't think Microsoft yet sees the demise of desktop as a given, but they are hedging their bets against it. Web, mobile, cloud, &c. are all platforms that are threatening desktop. Microsoft is trying to push into them, not to abandon desktop, but to make sure that they have a foothold regardless of which platform(s) end up dominant in the future. As late entrants into most of these platforms, their strategy is to…

I wonder if by hedging their bets they are actually accelerating the demise.

Re: Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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post #53

I like VS. It's a great product. But why on earth Microsoft have to have a finger in every pie? Can't they just focus on some area and make some great products instead of trying to have monopoly in every little area and forcing or bullying everyone to user their product. Just think about it, MS is most earning software company. But is there any field where MS is pioneer or revolutionize something? MS has monopoly in…

> Even now Windows don't have basic feature like.. Hyper-V? Powershell? Search has been in Windows since forever.

Do you know that Powershell is something they had to make to have something ti compete with native Shell, right?

This isn't a native feature for Windows and they have to monkey patch it.

If you have used anyother OS, you will find out that Windows is fundamentally broken.

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