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Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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Speculation here: I wonder if Microsoft sees the fleeting profitability in owning the desktop environment (more competition, shrinking market, higher expectations). So they're trying to apply the same concepts that really helped propel windows as a popular platform (easy to develop for) to their cloud platform (azure) in an attempt to coax their existing user base to start adopting it over other cloud platforms (like…

It can be as simple as not seeing enough revenue growth on the desktop. They have a lot of pressure to act like a growth company, whether they are or not.

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For anyone who downloaded (but has not installed) a VS2013 ISO from MSDN before November 8th might want to download again as they were updated on the 8th. Details on the update is available at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2890846/en-us

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I like VS. It's a great product.

But why on earth Microsoft have to have a finger in every pie? Can't they just focus on some area and make some great products instead of trying to have monopoly in every little area and forcing or bullying everyone to user their product.

Just think about it, MS is most earning software company. But is there any field where MS is pioneer or revolutionize something? MS has monopoly in desktop but that's not for their quality of product, they just got lucky and IBM did some stupid mistakes. Windows is not a bad OS. But as the market leading OS, it's really mediocre. Even now Windows don't have basic feature like virtual desktops, a decent command shell, a good searching tool like "finder" in OS X.

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Speculation here: I wonder if Microsoft sees the fleeting profitability in owning the desktop environment (more competition, shrinking market, higher expectations). So they're trying to apply the same concepts that really helped propel windows as a popular platform (easy to develop for) to their cloud platform (azure) in an attempt to coax their existing user base to start adopting it over other cloud platforms (like…

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Re: Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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I like VS. It's a great product. But why on earth Microsoft have to have a finger in every pie? Can't they just focus on some area and make some great products instead of trying to have monopoly in every little area and forcing or bullying everyone to user their product. Just think about it, MS is most earning software company. But is there any field where MS is pioneer or revolutionize something? MS has monopoly in…

VS was a great product 20 years ago. Today it's looking like a mess. Does 2013 fix any of this crap: http://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/05/visual-studio-is-it-g...

You called Finder a good searching tool? Are you kidding? Finder is an unmitigated piece of shit, with search being one of its most defective facets. How is it a good searching tool when it gives you a list of hits but doesn't show WHERE they are? There isn't even an OPTION to add "path" to the column headers in the search results. The only option is to click on every hit, one at a time, and peer at the status bar at the bottom of the screen to see where it is.

Also, Finder doesn't start searches in the selected folder. That folder isn't even offered as an option, either. You have to create a special search "destination", which is then permanent until you clean it up later.

Not to mention Finder's other defects, like not sorting with FOLDERS AT THE TOP. And not creating a subfolder when you say "new folder" with another one selected.

Then there's the little things, like Finder showing "disclosure triangles" on folders that don't have anything in them. Windows Explorer doesn't, which tells you at a glance when a folder's empty. At least it did, until Vista, when Microsoft inexplicably decided to hide all of the expand/collapse controls next to folders unless you happen to roll the cursor through the left pane.

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Does it only work in IE?

I don't think so. I'm using it in Chrome and it works perfectly fine. :)

You mean it works fine in NewIE, right? :)

(That's how most people I know that do front-end work have come to call Chrome and webkits in general as there are so many chrome/webkit specific bugs and "webkit-ish standard extensions" that it feels like debugging for IE back in the day. And nowadays Firefox and IE(10+) actually have more sane behaviors and more standard compliance than Chrome. Yeah, the Chrome devs bring new features to the people faster than anyone else, but they also introduce a shitload of specific bugs that are hard to fix because just reproducing them well enough to report them is a huge pain.)

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I don't think so. I'm using it in Chrome and it works perfectly fine. :)

You mean it works fine in NewIE, right? :) (That's how most people I know that do front-end work have come to call Chrome and webkits in general as there are so many chrome/webkit specific bugs and "webkit-ish standard extensions" that it feels like debugging for IE back in the day. And nowadays Firefox and IE(10+) actually have more sane behaviors and more standard compliance than Chrome. Yeah, the Chrome devs bring…

Yes, it works fine in the NewIE as well. I've tested it in Chrome, FF, Safari, IE9+. All looks good so far.
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