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Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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post #42

Am I the only one who is bothered by the fact that wikileaks isn't actually a wiki?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki

> Ward Cunningham, the developer of the first wiki software, WikiWikiWeb, originally described it as "the simplest online database that could possibly work". "Wiki" (pronounced [ˈwiti] or [ˈviti]) is a Hawaiian word meaning "fast" or "quick".

Great, now I'm bothered by the fact that everybody pronounces "wiki" wrong :D

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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post #28

I really, really hope the culture of leaking information becomes so strong that governments will become incapable of keeping anything a secret. That would give me some hope for the future. Anyone that leaks information is a fucking hero. Edit: Stop attacking me personally. I'm talking about the government's privacy here, not mine (nor anyone else's). I actually think my privacy will improve if this becomes a reality.

> governments will become incapable of keeping anything a secret. That isn't the goal, not for privacy advocates nor for Wikileaks or Julian Assange, who said: "The goal is justice, the method is transparency. It's important not to confuse the goal and the method." Advocates of individual privacy rely on the government, as a service provider, to keep secrets in order to protect the rights of individuals.

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Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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post #27
post #11

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That is a very naive and idealistic position. Governments often and rightly have genuine reasons for keeping things secret - as do other institutions, businesses and indeed individual people.

He/She is clearly referring to Whistle Blowers. All the ridiculous, obtuse comments just to feel superior. If you can't attack the actual message, then impeach the character? Grow up.

Their language clearly indicates that they mean any information.

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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post #52
post #46

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But it actually is... or at least it uses the Wikimedia software: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Confidential_plans_for_1.2_billion...

but the conceptual framework is not there. (I.E. most visitors cant edit anything)

Wiki conceptual framework is about how stuff should be kept/edited in a community, but it's not saying anything about if that ability should be granted only to 'blessed contributors' any or random visitors; i.e., if you are considered part of that editor community.

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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Even better, what if the government was closing in a child pornographer with chemical weapons and a nuke, and the leak allowed him to rape more children while nuking a nunnery and poisoning an orphanage?

Is this some kind of humor? The odds of such a thing happening are close to nil.

I can't tell if you're really dense, or being sarcastic...

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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post #13

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The problem with these kinds of things is that the document might be watermarked to obviate who leaked it. It follows the same vein as "spying on allies" which -- until recently -- was tin-foil-hat conspiracy territory. The political fallout will not be minimal, and it will not be kept secret.

It follows the same vein as "spying on allies" which -- until recently -- was tin-foil-hat conspiracy territory. Not at all. Nations have been spying on their allies since there have been nations and spies. Anyone "shocked" by those revelations is either putting on a show or rather naive.

You are correct, perhaps spying on allies was a poor choice of word.

Evaluating allies would probably fit better.

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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post #56

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I really . . . hope . . . that governments will become incapable of keeping anything a secret. Does that include personal information about you, for example your personal medical information that is part of the treatment records of a government-administered medical insurance plan? Some countries (not many) make personal income tax filings public information. Do you live in such a country?

I've made my company fully transparent, including, for example, all salary information. Most of those steps seemed very scary at first. In hindsight, there was nothing to be scared about, really. This is not to say that extreme transparency applied to all things is right - just that it often looks a lot more scary than it is. When you act transparently you relinquish some control, and some people hate the very idea o…

The salaries of all your employees? Doesn't that violate their own rights to privacy? Or does this only extend to the board of directors?

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really . . . hope . . . that governments will become incapable of keeping anything a secret. Does that include personal information about you, for example your personal medical information that is part of the treatment records of a government-administered medical insurance plan? Some countries (not many) make personal income tax filings public information. Do you live in such a country?

I've made my company fully transparent, including, for example, all salary information. Most of those steps seemed very scary at first. In hindsight, there was nothing to be scared about, really. This is not to say that extreme transparency applied to all things is right - just that it often looks a lot more scary than it is. When you act transparently you relinquish some control, and some people hate the very idea o…

Would you mind posting your company salary information here? I've always been interested to see how a real-life startup salary structure looks.

Or is it only transparent if you're in the club?

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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I really, really hope the culture of leaking information becomes so strong that governments will become incapable of keeping anything a secret. That would give me some hope for the future. Anyone that leaks information is a fucking hero. Edit: Stop attacking me personally. I'm talking about the government's privacy here, not mine (nor anyone else's). I actually think my privacy will improve if this becomes a reality.

It's not quite so simple as considering all leaks of government information heroic. For instance, would it have been heroic to leak news that U.S. code breakers had cracked enemy codes in WW2?

Like, for instance, that the Japanese diplomatic codes had been broken and that the administration had prior knowledge of an imminent attack on Pearl Harbor, yet chose to do nothing, because the public response would finally allow the U.S. to enter the war?

Absolutely, it would have been heroic. It might have led to real justice instead of ruinous warmongering.

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