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Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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Post by sdoering »

k3n wrote: post #44
sdoering wrote: post #3

Older version on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6725046

Oddly, given the same exact title, this newer one is around 2x as successful (comments & votes) as the older one.

Well I was watching it (I made the mistake, of posting the link with a anchor in it to the start of the document).

It gained some fast early upvotes, without having comments, it reached #2 on the frontpage, gained its first comment, while my submission had about 4 - 5 comments and was trailing some 5 - 6 places behind on the frontpage.

But ok, it gained traction faster, so it is quite ok with me. And, for me the information counts, not who submitted it.

So please, everybody: put your comments on the winning thread, as there will be much more interaction going on there.

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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Post by warnick »

k3n wrote: post #46
JackFr wrote: post #42

Am I the only one who is bothered by the fact that wikileaks isn't actually a wiki?

But it actually is... or at least it uses the Wikimedia software: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Confidential_plans_for_1.2_billion...

but the conceptual framework is not there. (I.E. most visitors cant edit anything)

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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Post by swombat »

stelonix wrote: post #50
jellicle wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even better, what if the government was closing in a child pornographer with chemical weapons and a nuke, and the leak allowed him to rape more children while nuking a nunnery and poisoning an orphanage?

Is this some kind of humor? The odds of such a thing happening are close to nil.

It could happen. Even worse, it could happen on the anniversary of 9/11.

(disclaimer: that's a joke)

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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Post by tokenizer »

jewbacca wrote: post #39
nikcub wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> governments will become incapable of keeping anything a secret. That isn't the goal, not for privacy advocates nor for Wikileaks or Julian Assange, who said: "The goal is justice, the method is transparency. It's important not to confuse the goal and the method." Advocates of individual privacy rely on the government, as a service provider, to keep secrets in order to protect the rights of individuals.

I find it amazing how often supposedly substantive discussions about Wikileaks and Julian Assange go on without any explicit mention or acknowledgment of what I've always considered his central thesis: ---- "The non linear effects of leaks on unjust systems of governance [...] The more secretive or unjust an organization is, the more leaks induce fear and paranoia in its leadership and planning coterie. This must res…

Yeah, I had always hoped this was the goal. It's not the leak that has the most effect, but the reaction to the leak.

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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Post by iand »

stelonix wrote: post #50
jellicle wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even better, what if the government was closing in a child pornographer with chemical weapons and a nuke, and the leak allowed him to rape more children while nuking a nunnery and poisoning an orphanage?

Is this some kind of humor? The odds of such a thing happening are close to nil.

Yes, it parodies the usual scaremongering responses given in response to leaking/whistleblowing: pedophilia, terrorists, dirty bombs etc.

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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Post by swombat »

tokenadult wrote: post #17
AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #6

I really, really hope the culture of leaking information becomes so strong that governments will become incapable of keeping anything a secret. That would give me some hope for the future. Anyone that leaks information is a fucking hero. Edit: Stop attacking me personally. I'm talking about the government's privacy here, not mine (nor anyone else's). I actually think my privacy will improve if this becomes a reality.

I really . . . hope . . . that governments will become incapable of keeping anything a secret. Does that include personal information about you, for example your personal medical information that is part of the treatment records of a government-administered medical insurance plan? Some countries (not many) make personal income tax filings public information. Do you live in such a country?

I've made my company fully transparent, including, for example, all salary information. Most of those steps seemed very scary at first. In hindsight, there was nothing to be scared about, really.

This is not to say that extreme transparency applied to all things is right - just that it often looks a lot more scary than it is. When you act transparently you relinquish some control, and some people hate the very idea of giving up any control.

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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Post by timje1 »

jellicle wrote: post #45
mcphilip wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not quite so simple as considering all leaks of government information heroic. For instance, would it have been heroic to leak news that U.S. code breakers had cracked enemy codes in WW2?

Even better, what if the government was closing in a child pornographer with chemical weapons and a nuke, and the leak allowed him to rape more children while nuking a nunnery and poisoning an orphanage?

You forgot ...thus lowering house prices in a wide area. Now the electorate are on your side!

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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Post by [deleted] »

mcphilip wrote: post #34
AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #6

I really, really hope the culture of leaking information becomes so strong that governments will become incapable of keeping anything a secret. That would give me some hope for the future. Anyone that leaks information is a fucking hero. Edit: Stop attacking me personally. I'm talking about the government's privacy here, not mine (nor anyone else's). I actually think my privacy will improve if this becomes a reality.

It's not quite so simple as considering all leaks of government information heroic. For instance, would it have been heroic to leak news that U.S. code breakers had cracked enemy codes in WW2?

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Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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Post by hackula1 »

scarmig wrote: post #19
zxcdw wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apart from "obvious" national security in the name of TERRORISM [1], what are such reasons? [1]: http://www.gwern.net/Terrorism%20is%20not%20about%20Terror

Negotiations. When you go to a new job and they tell you "How much do you make at your current position? Tell us, you have nothing to hide." what do you do?

If you are playing to win, you tell them you currently make whatever salary you are seeking. When they ask you what sort of salary you need, say something along the lines of "Obviously, I want to take a step forward, but I am pretty flexible, so if you can at least match my current pay, then I would be open to accepting".

While this tactic does fall into the grey area of morality, it is quite effective.

Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

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Post by sker »

Wikileaks again messing up the world's economy and putting lives at risk. Won't somebody shut them down?

On a more serious note, wasn't there a reward if they got their hands on this leak?

Also, as a mexican, it sucks that we're part of this treaty. So far Mexico has been a lawless wild west with regards to copyright enforcement.

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