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"This is perhaps more easily understood when you know that the Jewish culture places enormous focus on educating the next generation and on critical thinking" Or maybe it is even better understood in terms of genetic differences: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence .
I doubt it. Culture is key. Being in the right place at the right time, having a network of folks interested in your welfare, etc is key. Think of it this way -- how many smart people from school or childhood do you know who didn't amount to much, despite the raw ability to achieve. Now think about your work life -- how many times have worked for or witnessed a blithering idiot in charge of thing at your job or a cus…
Surnames offer depressing clues to extent of social mobility over generations
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Re: Surnames offer depressing clues to extent of social mobility over generations
#52Sweden might be very equal but also a country without major wars or revolutions for centuries. Also probably was industrialized for long. Same for UK, actually.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Culture" is an empty explanation. The question is: were your odds of getting married and having children as a Medieval Ashkenazi Jew better if you were smarter? I'm descended from these people and I don't know.
Over that time period is it more likely to be selective pressure or a founder effect? A founder effect doesn't require continuous selective pressure, it just requires a population with a small group of founders from whom the entire population is descended. For instance, a group that splits off from a larger group, or passes through a population bottleneck. In this situation a set of genes -- inherited from the founde…
* The intelligence came from the European converted-in founder females. In which case, how come we don't see similar intelligence averages in similar European populations?
* Or, the intelligence came from the male Jewish founders. In which case, how come we don't see similar intelligence averages in other Jewish populations?
Both questions can, of course, be accompanied by, "OR DO WE!?!?!?! dun dun duuuun".
Re: Surnames offer depressing clues to extent of social mobility over generations
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
"This is perhaps more easily understood when you know that the Jewish culture places enormous focus on educating the next generation and on critical thinking" Or maybe it is even better understood in terms of genetic differences: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence .
Mental exercise: 1. Take the text replace Ashkenazi Jew with Arian 2. Trust me they (the nazis) had they scientists to proof exactly the same but with Arians. And see how you kidnap "science" in the same of ideology. That's actually pretty ugly.
Re: Surnames offer depressing clues to extent of social mobility over generations
#55It's intersting how generations of successfull girls each marrying someone higher in society than her parents wouldn't be traced by this study on surnames.
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#57They don't seem to account for non-socioeconomic factors like genetics and nurturing. I'm not saying aristocrats are a master race, just that if your ancestors won competitions, you may have inherited whatever genetic factors helped them. These might include abilities for collaboration, "reading" other people, intelligence... and perhaps competitiveness, controlled aggression and ruthlessness. Nurture would include v…
Re: Surnames offer depressing clues to extent of social mobility over generations
#58It's intersting how generations of successfull girls each marrying someone higher in society than her parents wouldn't be traced by this study on surnames.
Successful women tend to keep their surname after marriage. I did. Some consider me mildly successful I guess? It is also because I didn't want to lose my identity I had for 30 years, and I am not the property of my husband.
(Or course, I'm curious how much choice anyone had. Many "surnames" that we know are either occupation or city of origin based. Or am I off on that, as well?)
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#59Interesting article, but I was a bit disappointed; I was expecting it to look at names originally derived from occupations, like Baker or Smith. Their approach obviously makes more sense; it's just not as much fun.
Re: Surnames offer depressing clues to extent of social mobility over generations
#60Fun fact: 21% of Koreans have the family name "Kim" (means "gold"): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_name