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Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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And government lunch programs want to serve only low fat milk http://frac.org/highlights-healthy-hunger-free-kids-act-of-2... We give government too much power. Parents should decide what kind of milk their kids should drink. Or let the kid decide.

Yes, government tyranny in action, giving federal funding to qualified after-school meal programs operated at a local level that provide free skim milk to hungry children.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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Saturated fat intake has been suggested by some studies to be positively correlated with cancer risk [1]. I don't have an opinion on the quality of the evidence, but it's worth considering. The article doesn't appear to mention cancer risk at all.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat#Cancer

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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I think a bigger war to end is that against carbs. The paleo diet trend has gotten out of hand, everybody's afraid to touch bread now. There's evidence both on a large scale (population wide - there are countries like Italy where carbs are abundant in the diet, and others where fats are more common) and in controlled studies, that your carb-calorie to fat-calorie intake ratio makes little difference to your overall h…

Also; moderation.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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I think a bigger war to end is that against carbs. The paleo diet trend has gotten out of hand, everybody's afraid to touch bread now. There's evidence both on a large scale (population wide - there are countries like Italy where carbs are abundant in the diet, and others where fats are more common) and in controlled studies, that your carb-calorie to fat-calorie intake ratio makes little difference to your overall h…

Paleo is a bit different from normal low carb considering you are eating fruit. Maybe you are talking about LCHF or Keto?

(Layperson understanding of the issue follows here, proceed with care) Carbs are not bad per se. Sure, big amounts of sugar are and a diet mainly consisting of carbs is probably as well. Italy is a nice example of a country where olive oil is abundant in their diet as well. What I think is the #1 advantage of Keto etc. is that you have no choice but to have a better look at what you eat (same with Paleo) as all the unhealthy, heavily processed stuff is simply not allowed anymore.

I actually started with Keto because I thought it was a cool diet hack that tricked you into not eating the stuff everyone with knowledge of diets was already telling you not to eat (the whole "fat is bad" for you has already been on a decline for some time now).

But Keto is not telling you bread is bad. It's telling you for the purpose of this diet it's bad. And the purpose is calorie intake reduction by eating bigger than normal amounts of fat which are supposedly more filling. And at least for me I can second that. I counted calories a bit before starting Keto and a week while doing Keto. My intake was severly reduced while eating as much as I wanted.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like Lustig's point is that a high-fructose diet is worse for you than a high-fat diet. We have replaced the fat in our diet with fructose, but that isn't necessary. We could just eat carbs low in fructose and/or more protein instead of fat. Regardless, this article is discussing saturated fat, which is a subset of all fats. "Healthy" oils like olive oil, canola oil, and many nuts have lots of fat, but very lit…

Healthy oils actually tend to have a lot of saturated fat in them. Nuts, olive oil, coconut oil, avocados, are all quite rich in saturated fats, and actually are good for you (no scare quotes needed). The reason those oils are considered healthy is because of the types of saturated and unsaturated fats they contain. Canola, or rapeseed, oil is somewhat less certainly good for you. And is quite low in saturated fats;…

> The evidence that it is more healthy than other oils has all but evaporated,

I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23939686

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/food-matters/2013/10/25/...

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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As long as the fad diet isn't too crazy. (You won't lose weight on a caloric surplus, for example.)

Is your statement true? Why should it be a forgone conclusion that our bodies are able to convert all macronutrients into energy with 100% efficiency? If you maintain a stable weight for 1 year does this mean you managed to perfectly balance caloric intake with caloric expenditure? That when you ate that extra cookie or drank an extra soda that you needed those calories to offset some energy expenditure? That seems h…

The calorie labels you see on food are adjusted to account for average digestive and absorptive effects for the mix of macronutrients in that food.

Calories in - calories out doesn't mean "Calories on food label minus readout on the treadmill". It refers to the actual energy balance. Under no reliably observed circumstances has human biology been shown to violate the conservation of energy and matter.

The point of repeating "a calorie is a calorie" is to reconcile people to the inescapable fact that a caloric deficit, no matter how imposed, is the necessary and sufficient cause of lowered long term average body mass.

The problem is that some folk like to embrace Nirvana Fallacy as some kind of debating trump card. "You can't calculate future weight down to 1 gram resolution 6 months from now, therefore your premises are totally wrong!"

Well I can't predict the temperature in my bedroom exactly 6 months from now either. But I have a pretty good idea of what season it will be.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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This is anecdotal, but I've now lost 20 kg with a ketogenic diet. Started at 110 kg, I now weigh 90 kg after 5 months. I've complemented the diet with a regular amount of exercise (mostly running). If anyone is interested, http://www.reddit.com/r/keto has a nice community of ketoers.

This is anecdotal, but I've now lost 40kg with a mix of diets, none of which involved worrying about ketosis.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like Lustig's point is that a high-fructose diet is worse for you than a high-fat diet. We have replaced the fat in our diet with fructose, but that isn't necessary. We could just eat carbs low in fructose and/or more protein instead of fat. Regardless, this article is discussing saturated fat, which is a subset of all fats. "Healthy" oils like olive oil, canola oil, and many nuts have lots of fat, but very lit…

Healthy oils actually tend to have a lot of saturated fat in them. Nuts, olive oil, coconut oil, avocados, are all quite rich in saturated fats, and actually are good for you (no scare quotes needed). The reason those oils are considered healthy is because of the types of saturated and unsaturated fats they contain. Canola, or rapeseed, oil is somewhat less certainly good for you. And is quite low in saturated fats;…

I was of the impression that rapeseed oil was unhealthy compared to e.g. extra virgin olive oil, due to the common processing methods used to extract it (heating, chemicals[1]). Extra virgin olive oil is extracted purely by mechanical means, no heating is allowed.

Here in Sweden, however, it's easy to find and buy organic cold pressed rapeseed oil. I'm of the impression that this stuff is a lot better for you than "canola" oil.

[1]: http://wellnessmama.com/2193/why-you-should-never-eat-vegeta...

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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Congrats. Just like a determined programmer will do well with any language/platform, determined individuals will realize their health goals regardless of which fad diet they are currently utilizing.

As long as the fad diet isn't too crazy. (You won't lose weight on a caloric surplus, for example.)

Caloric surplus is meaningless. You are not a 4 phase combustion engine.

A lot of foodstuff a person ingests get used for other things - building, repairing tissue, making proteins and all other stuff that people need to be alive except oxidation for fuel.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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Saturated fat intake has been suggested by some studies to be positively correlated with cancer risk [1]. I don't have an opinion on the quality of the evidence, but it's worth considering. The article doesn't appear to mention cancer risk at all. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat#Cancer

Everything gives cancer according to scientists. Also everything protects from one according to other bunch. We die from cancer mostly because there isn't much left to die from - the medicine is keeping all the other stuff in check pretty well lately.
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