$70 for bootcamp? For a company as technologically advanced as South Korea, can't they just use refit or refind? Heck even a VM would do fine.
I think the article author confused Boot Camp for Parallels Desktop.
South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping
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Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Citation needed. Any real economist. Inevitably, if any industry is profitable, competition will arise. Government regulation (often through corruption) is the only mechanism which ensures a lack of competition. This can be observed in any industry throughout the last 100 years. You're right that companies can lock up the vast majority of a market by out-competing others, but this generally doesn't last very long (…
> Any real economist. Any real economist can cite many monoplies that arise through market forces alone. > Inevitably, if any industry is profitable, competition will arise. This is not true. There are many different definitions of "profit", and there are many cases where an industry that makes a real business profit will not support a competitor that makes an economic profit. The obvious example is markets with very…
> He became dominant through backroom deals and anti-competitive practices.
Backroom deals AKA corruption. Corruption and regulation are two sides of the same coin. Had the market been perfectly competitive (ie. state governments not succumbing to corruption) the monopoly likely would not have formed and lasted.
Your only example merely proves my point.
Try to find a monopoly that has arisen in an open market, free from government 'intervention' (either regulation OR corruption).
Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping
#43I'm really surprised that in the last 14 years noone wrote a compatibility layer. It's definitely possible (see the comment about tablets) and embedding crazy stuff from windows is nothing new in linux world (wine, ndiswrapper). So what's the actual barrier to doing that? (also, why doesn't FF solve the issue since https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478839 was fixed? - it looks like guys from KISA are actua…
Mozilla added SEED support to Gecko many years ago. Nothing has been done since then (on the Korean side) to implement support beyond that.
Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping
#44$70 for bootcamp? For a company as technologically advanced as South Korea, can't they just use refit or refind? Heck even a VM would do fine.
Boot Camp isn’t a separate product, it’s part of OS X (which is free).
The salesman was probably talking about Parallels Desktop or VMware Fusion. of course, one can just as easily use Virtualbox. Or if you only need IE, you can use a WINE layer like CrossOver.
Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping
#45I'm really surprised that in the last 14 years noone wrote a compatibility layer. It's definitely possible (see the comment about tablets) and embedding crazy stuff from windows is nothing new in linux world (wine, ndiswrapper). So what's the actual barrier to doing that? (also, why doesn't FF solve the issue since https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478839 was fixed? - it looks like guys from KISA are actua…
Mozilla added SEED support to Gecko many years ago. Nothing has been done since then (on the Korean side) to implement support beyond that.
But what exactly is needed? What is stopping someone from writing a FF extension that will capture all activex object tags and replace them with something doing the same operations in FF's chrome?
Is the auth protocol completely unknown? Is the activex control obfuscated more than is possible to reverse-engineer?
Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping
#46Who cares. Developers need to pull legacy browser support sooner. It's pretty clear that certain people and organizations will wait until they absolutely have to change before they will make the effort. Once it becomes inconvenient enough they'll do whatever needs to get done. The effort can be justified in business terms. IE8, for example, is going to be around for a while. However, if enough developers stop support…
If you lived in S. Korea and had to be limited to using IE on Windows with ActiveX controls for each site you wanted to transact with, you'd care. Did you read the piece? The current system is the law.
This is not a new story. It has been discussed for the last several years.
Like I said, certain organizations will change when they absolutely have to. In South Korea's case, it's going to be costly so they are probably going to be the last.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Citation needed. Any real economist. Inevitably, if any industry is profitable, competition will arise. Government regulation (often through corruption) is the only mechanism which ensures a lack of competition. This can be observed in any industry throughout the last 100 years. You're right that companies can lock up the vast majority of a market by out-competing others, but this generally doesn't last very long (…
This is flatly incorrect. 1) Property. If you have a monopoly on the property in a given area you can charge whatever you want for rent, and no competition will be around to add competition. 2) Vertical monopolies. If your company buys out not just the competition, but the entire supply chain, and there is a high cost of entry to being able to enter the market -- say automobiles -- then you can quash competition as i…
If a monopoly raises the price too high then the consumer will seek a substitute or simply not purchase the good. This is true regardless of the form of the monopoly.
1) If rent is too high then renters will leave.
2) If an automobile is too expensive then consumers will use mass transit or carpool.
3) If there is a coal shortage due to labor conditions then consumers will use natural gas or other alternative sources of energy.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
It isn't strange, most monopolies are born out of bad government policies, not the market.
I don't know where to start. 1) Monopolies can and do happen in the absence of regulation. Indeed, it is frequently only through regulation or direct governmental action that competition can be encouraged. (The breakup of the AT&T monopoly comes to mind.) 2) The simple fact of the matter is that government and economic policy go hand-in-hand. Governments create the currency and enforce contracts. They also set the ru…
I don't know where to start.
Eh, you might reserve that tone for posts in which you're mostly correct.
Ma Bell was not in any real sense broken up at any point in time. Presumably you're referring to the consent decree that took effect in 1984, but it's also possible you've been fooled by the fig-leaf Comm Act of '96. The result of all that mummery is that right now we have 2.5 phone companies in the USA (which organizations operate the exact same way they did it before the "breakup"), and various tiny morsels the two big daughters haven't yet consumed and excreted. The main outcome has been that telecom executives have extracted vast fortunes from investors, which was probably the point in the first place. That's not even to mention the fact that it was the original Comm Act of '34 that gave Bell its ironclad, FCC-enforced monopoly initially.
There is hope, however, because eventually the consumer will only need an ISP, rather than the Frankenstein's monster that is "the phone company". ISPs connect, directly or indirectly, with backbone providers, and there is a functioning market of those. As long as the FCC doesn't outlaw ISPs, sanity will prevail in communications, someday.
It's funny that you mention Somalia, because it's a direct refutation of the point you're attempting to make (i.e., no government -> monopoly). It's as if Somalia is such a favorite hobbyhorse of the corporatists that they can't actually talk about how great corporatism is without mentioning it.
Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping
#49Typical of most MS bashing articles - this article is troll-bait at best and false at worst. Internet Explorer is not mandated by law. What happened was, the US had banned export of 128bit encryption software. The Korean government said screw that and created browser plugins - for BOTH Netscape and IE - to use 128bit encryption for online transactions. Netscape died and IE remained. I guess their implementation is pr…
Why can't they just use TLS encryption that is available in all browsers and supports more than 128-bit?
Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping
#50An enormous amount of South Koreans play Starcraft and MOBAs (e.g. League of Legends). Those are Windows games.
However, as I've learned from doing tech support, I find hardcore gamers are more computer illiterate. They know enough about computers to turn them on and play their game, but because they play for so many hours they don't do anything else on the computer.
Basically you get a nation of computer illiterate users, who use Windows because they don't know any better. Most probably don't even know what Firefox or Chrome are.