IE8, for example, is going to be around for a while. However, if enough developers stop supporting it now, the conversation will begin. Otherwise, it's gonna be 2020 and ie8 will still have significant market share.
South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It isn't strange, most monopolies are born out of bad government policies, not the market. Citation needed. There are government mandated monopolies but you can also achieve a monopoly using purely free market tools and simply lock up all supply and/or distribution via aggressive investments. You seem to imply government-induced monopolies > free market monopolies, but provide no evidence or even an argument that t…
Consider the fact that if you refuse to do business with a private-sector monopoly the worst that'll happen is that you'll get a slightly less-effective alternative or in the worst case go without the good. If you refuse to participate in a government-mandated monopoly you can face civil and criminal charges. Also, a private-sector monopoly, no matter how seemingly entrenched, is always vulnerable to disruption (when…
(All of these are well known, well documented examples a little over a century old. For a more modern alternative, consider the many people who have a single provider for internet access – they can either pay or give up on significant participation in the modern economy.)
> Also, a private-sector monopoly, no matter how seemingly entrenched, is always vulnerable to disruption (when was the last time you used a PC manufactured by IBM? Or were forced to use IE against your will, for that matter?
Amusingly, both of your examples are cases where the monopoly was disrupted under the treat of government action. The reason those other browsers had a chance is that Microsoft couldn't lock down the PC market as much as they wanted to while the DOJ was investigating. Similarly, look at IBM's history – do you think the PC market would be as open if they hadn't had to worry about a replay of the 1969 antitrust settlement?
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Consider the fact that if you refuse to do business with a private-sector monopoly the worst that'll happen is that you'll get a slightly less-effective alternative or in the worst case go without the good. If you refuse to participate in a government-mandated monopoly you can face civil and criminal charges. Also, a private-sector monopoly, no matter how seemingly entrenched, is always vulnerable to disruption (when…
> Consider the fact that if you refuse to do business with a private-sector monopoly the worst that'll happen is that you'll get a slightly less-effective alternative or in the worst case go without the good. That can be pretty bad if the "good" you are going without is food, shelter, a necessary medical procedure, or some other fundamental requirement.
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#34Boot Camp is a secret weapon? It costs $70? I'm confused. Could they not get a free VM and then download an image from modern.ie?
I suppose in a sense it becomes a bit of a worry if you run too lightweight on the VM which after all will have to contain your banking credentials (sort of the opposite of firing up a VM when you're doing something that feels too sketchy to run on the main system).
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#35Typical of most MS bashing articles - this article is troll-bait at best and false at worst. Internet Explorer is not mandated by law. What happened was, the US had banned export of 128bit encryption software. The Korean government said screw that and created browser plugins - for BOTH Netscape and IE - to use 128bit encryption for online transactions. Netscape died and IE remained. I guess their implementation is pr…
You think there's an open market for bar code encryption?
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It isn't strange, most monopolies are born out of bad government policies, not the market. Citation needed. There are government mandated monopolies but you can also achieve a monopoly using purely free market tools and simply lock up all supply and/or distribution via aggressive investments. You seem to imply government-induced monopolies > free market monopolies, but provide no evidence or even an argument that t…
Consider the fact that if you refuse to do business with a private-sector monopoly the worst that'll happen is that you'll get a slightly less-effective alternative or in the worst case go without the good. If you refuse to participate in a government-mandated monopoly you can face civil and criminal charges. Also, a private-sector monopoly, no matter how seemingly entrenched, is always vulnerable to disruption (when…
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#37Well that's a stupid law. Requiring people to use a specific product. That's never a good idea. Now if you don't mind I need to go renew my car insurance and sign up for health care.
But you can choose your insurance companies and plans. This would be like the government mandating that you have to use Aetna for health insurance.
I'm still confused about why the government needed to create any sort of web site since they are just marketing private insurance plans (which meet the ACA standards) and these companies have been and continue to market their insurance plans on their own web sites. And hasn't anyone in the federal government heard about 'independent insurance agents'? I guess not since they had to dream up a new job title of 'navigator'.
I do support some of the policy goals of ACA, but it seems like almost any other implementation would have been better than the convoluted-rube-goldbergish mechanisms created by the ACA.
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#38This is why governments shouldn't be passing laws to 'protect' citizens online - they'd manifestly bad at understanding change and worse at designing legal systems that can cope with it.
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#40Who cares. Developers need to pull legacy browser support sooner. It's pretty clear that certain people and organizations will wait until they absolutely have to change before they will make the effort. Once it becomes inconvenient enough they'll do whatever needs to get done. The effort can be justified in business terms. IE8, for example, is going to be around for a while. However, if enough developers stop support…