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Re: Media for Thinking the Unthinkable

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is now someone who isn't the average reader of Nature can understand the concept... Sometimes I feel like nerds kind of enjoy the exclusivity provided by "cryptic" notation. What Bret is doing is not genius level stuff, he's just doing what a lot of people don't have the balls to do. Attempt to make "hard" things easy enough for "regular" people to understand by appealing to the right side of their brain.

Jargon and specialized notation is sometimes cryptic as an unintentional side effect of communicating efficiently between specialists. To suggest they should communicate findings in a less efficient way that's understandable by laymen who haven't put in the effort to learn the jargon / notation is silly. But I think Bret's point isn't that every research paper should be as verbose as an introductory textbook, but rat…

"interactive widgets can express ideas which text and static images in published papers can't"

This. I had such hopes for iBooks, but then making widgets is hard, and making a Microsoft Word for widgets, harder still.

Re: Media for Thinking the Unthinkable

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I wonder if Powerpoint (or Visio, OneNote, VS) will eventually evolve this way. My prediction? We'll see lots of bad examples for 10+ years once software for this takes off, until people actually write up what better ways exist through documenting the good stuff. Oh and geeks will use Latex-style power tools that no one else can figure out :) Perhaps I'm talking about the web once alternative layouts and HTML5 component libraries start taking off... Maybe we'll see the return of Quartz Composer someday. When Apple actually takes non-linear programming seriously.

Re: Media for Thinking the Unthinkable

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I 'm not convinced. Such a "media" for thinking the unthinkable already exists. It's called "written language" plus maybe a drawing here or there. Has been used for millennia and once internalized by a mind willing to spend the effort to parse it has never failed to convey the unthinkable, the sublime or the transcendent.

Did you even watch the entire talk? He mentioned the written language very early on ... but then moves forward significantly.

Re: Media for Thinking the Unthinkable

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post #12

Bret Scares me. He makes feel inadequate on so many levels. Am I alone on this? I don't care for most 'successful' startup people and others, but Bret in particular - is amazing.

Bret is a lovely and amazing person, but don’t sell yourself short. I guarantee you if you come up with a topic or problem to work on, and devote 10+ years to full time reading/tinkering/inventing/implementing in the field, allowing yourself to be creative, sweating the tiny details, and worrying more about making your inventions wonderful than profitable, you will be able to amaze yourself and all of the rest of us…

This is quite astute. Truly, I only dream of what the world would be like were we free to pursue our most profound curiosities instead of only our most profitable ones.

Re: Media for Thinking the Unthinkable

#45
i know you all hate on mathematica but isn't this what the CDF computable document format is all about? text, systems modelling and dynamic movement all in the one language/system? (NB i'm not a mathematica user but have always wanted an excuse to get into it)

Re: Media for Thinking the Unthinkable

#46
Counterpoint: he notes our techniques are based on writing, but it goes deeper: our symbolic writing (including mathematical notation) is based on speech, for which we have dedicated linguistic structures in our brains, much as we have a visual center. It is deep-seated, and many have argued fundamentally entwined with sapience. Thus, even if it's not theoretically the best way, it might be the best way for us. But I'm going to argue it is the theoretically best way:

Linguistic descriptions have a key advantage over pictorial in that they represent or reference rather than show. This enables them to be compact, and omit unnecessary detail. (Of course, showing rather than telling is a strength of visual representation).

Yes, you can have a hierarchy of visual systems, and zoom-in or hide. But a fundamental problem here I think is in choosing the hierarchy - that is, the way the system is modularized.

Different modularizations of the same system are often appropriate for different uses of that system, or for considering different aspects of it. For even a slightly complex system, there are a huge number of different modularizations possible, and not all of them are useful. Often, you'll start with a poor one, and eventually have insights moving you towards the ideal one. (Of course, sometimes the "right" modularization is obvious, especially for well-known families of problems).

All this is very difficult. My point is that it is easier to switch modularities linguistically than pictorially, by changing your concepts. Without the right modularity, it's difficult to pictorially show just the aspects of interest instead of the whole picture. In contrast, one can linguistically omit detail by referencing it (implicitly, as a separate module).

Maybe it's possible to do this visually, though I suspect it thereby would have become linguistic!

[Though the above is a counterpoint, I'm very impressed with the talk. He's working both ends of abstraction, with concrete working software demonstrating cool useful practical techniques that, while not universal, would be helpful in many domains; and also framing it within, and using it to illustrate, the deep universal and philosophical idea of unthinkable thoughts. BTW e.g. uncomputable numbers.]

Re: Media for Thinking the Unthinkable

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post #12

Bret Scares me. He makes feel inadequate on so many levels. Am I alone on this? I don't care for most 'successful' startup people and others, but Bret in particular - is amazing.

One of my favorite parts of his website is the Links section: http://worrydream.com/#!/Links

It reminds me that the way to be amazing is to do an amazing amount of work.

Re: Media for Thinking the Unthinkable

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bret is a lovely and amazing person, but don’t sell yourself short. I guarantee you if you come up with a topic or problem to work on, and devote 10+ years to full time reading/tinkering/inventing/implementing in the field, allowing yourself to be creative, sweating the tiny details, and worrying more about making your inventions wonderful than profitable, you will be able to amaze yourself and all of the rest of us…

This is quite astute. Truly, I only dream of what the world would be like were we free to pursue our most profound curiosities instead of only our most profitable ones.

We are.
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