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Media for Thinking the Unthinkable

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Re: Media for Thinking the Unthinkable

#11

This got posted to HN twice in April and died with only a few points and no comments. glad to see it's finally finding an audience here.

Yeah, the video got posted a while back, but at the time he hadn't created the interactive page. It's cool to see how much thought he puts into presenting each idea. He doesn't stop with just the talk.

Re: Media for Thinking the Unthinkable

#14
>This page is an attempt to "explode" a demo-driven talk into a skimmable, browsable, gistable form, where individual ideas can be quickly referenced later.

This reminds me of another tool, Korsakow[0], which attempts to do a similar thing in a different way with documentary material, by presenting it in "shortest narrative units" or SNUs that relate to each other. It is one of a number of "interactive documentary" tools (like Mozilla's Popcorn [1] to some extent) but I wonder if it could be repurposed to "explode" a talk in a slightly more digestible way that could be reproduced by those of us who don't have Bret Victor's skillz.

[0] www.korsakow.org

[1] www.popcornjs.org

Re: Media for Thinking the Unthinkable

#15

I'm a big fan of Bret Victor's thinking, but this part struck me as indicative of the criticisms he'll receive: "here, they are discussing some relationships: the regular latice, L grows linearly with n, we see L growing linearly with n, and we see C is staying constant. In the random network, L grows logarithmically, and we see L growing logarithmically, we see C going as a reciprocal relationship. When we read the…

The point is now someone who isn't the average reader of Nature can understand the concept...

Sometimes I feel like nerds kind of enjoy the exclusivity provided by "cryptic" notation. What Bret is doing is not genius level stuff, he's just doing what a lot of people don't have the balls to do. Attempt to make "hard" things easy enough for "regular" people to understand by appealing to the right side of their brain.

Re: Media for Thinking the Unthinkable

#19
I 'm not convinced. Such a "media" for thinking the unthinkable already exists. It's called "written language" plus maybe a drawing here or there. Has been used for millennia and once internalized by a mind willing to spend the effort to parse it has never failed to convey the unthinkable, the sublime or the transcendent.

Re: Media for Thinking the Unthinkable

#20
post #16

Where can I get the tool he showed? Did he publish it?

A friend of mine asked him this after we saw it in his "Inventing on Principle Talk". Here is his response:

> Thanks! The tools I showed were just prototypes that I made for the talk. I don't have plans to make them into products myself. (But someone else might!)

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