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I agree with this perspective. Every idea can't be curing cancer, and many innovative ideas are stumbled on while playing with something else - like Feynman discovering quantum electrodynamics because he was curious about why spinning plates wobble. You need to follow your instincts. At a minimum, you're providing a service to thousands of people and sheparding a product through its lifecycle. I don't know if working…
There is also not much money in "curing cancer", unfortunately.
My really successful, unfundable, piece of shit startup I hate to love
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Agreed with mobile optimization, I have over 35% mobile traffic and I am doing a terrible job of taking advantage of this. But I don't know the first thing about how to do this. I have done some research and experiments but honestly couldn't make sense of it. Yes, I am banned from Adsense, and just about every top tier ad network. There is a certain amount of porn on Twicsy (maybe 10% of overall traffic, nothing eart…
How much do these bannings hurt your profitability ? Any way to quantify it ?
Re: My really successful, unfundable, piece of shit startup I hate to love
#103It's as if one comes out more genuine iff bad news are shared rather than good news. FYI, I don't personally see OP's app/outcome as a failure in itself.
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#104Sharing some of the analytics behind how you think people use the site would probably make for a much more interesting discussion around monetization. EG - I can't figure out how or why 6m uniques would show up here, or what they're doing. And that's not an insult, I am curious - are they looking for discovery / trends? Are they looking to see all the latest pics of a user? etc? Those are dramatically different user…
SEO is the largest feeder of traffic for Twicsy. People get there by searching for a very long tail of things. But there are quite a few that return just to browse around it seems, or check out the top photos. Agreed, the UX/UI is terrible. One big problem is that I am a terrible web developer, I am really just a back end data guy that knows enough to be dangerous on the front end. But that's part of the reason why I…
We got a huge amount of traffic via SEO, and lots of long tail traffic (e.g. we'd come up first for a huge number of zip codes). A big problem with our consumer site was atrocious bounce rates: Most people clicked through out of curiosity, looked around on that single page or maybe one more, and left never to be seen again, because we did a really poor job of hooking them unless they happened to be looking for classified ads matching that particular long tail term, which few were. We should in retrospect have treated those visits as someone watching an ad for our site, rather than as a conscious visit by a user of our site, because most of our traffic was from people who likely did not even realise what the site was about by the time they clicked back or closed the window.
A big part of the challenge for you as well, I think, is driving down bounce rates and challenging those users into other parts of the site and to repeat visits by helping them "get" what they can get out of the site other than 15 seconds of looking at that one image.
If I was you, I'd segment users hard on referrals vs. direct traffic and cookied vs. uncookied (assume first time visitors). First of all, are you earning any money on those first time referral users? If not, that gives you total freedom to experiment. But regardless, subject the first time referred users to an absolute battery of segmented tests (A/B or multivariate or whatever scheme you're comfortable you can analyze results from) with pretty much the sole purpose of figuring out how to get more of those users to visit more sticky pages. Especially if people are coming in from long tail searches, I think you'd be better focusing on turning them into users than "drive by" assaulting them with ads like it feels like the site currently is doing.
E.g. consider imgur. Consider users coming to imgur pages from Reddit (consider your specific traffic sources, and whether or not you can do anything "special" for them)- not only do they get an interface to navigate that in many cases are more convenient than continuing to browse the equivalent image reddits, but you can even go to imgur.com/r/someimagereddit (e.g. http://imgur.com/r/pics) and get all the pictures from that subreddit in one place. It's seductive. Then there's ability to comment. The image pages themselves are extremely clean. It's seductive.
While if I get to your site from Google search results (say by entering "twitter babes" and going to the image results - I tested, it gives a Twicsy result high up, in between the porn), I need to go below the fold to even realize that there are related pictures, and there are no "niceties" like being able to use cursor left/right to move through a "gallery", or space to enlarge the image, as on imgur.com (if there are on Twicsy, I didn't notice them). What is there is massively distracting ads.
Imgur is teasing people in when they hit it for the first time, making it very tempting to click one more image, while your site is pretty much bunching people in the face with ads, which makes it hard to even discover the potential.
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#105I get that people are trying to be helpful, and think that's great. But this blog post was awesome, raw, and captured something that so few of us can really relate to. Dude grinds for 10 years, keeps grinding, doesn't know where to go but will probably keep grinding. "Twicsy, you son of a bitch. You frustrate me so. I love you, but oh how I hate to love you." Shine on, buddy. Best of luck!
Though ultimately I think those kinds of projects are also the ones that often lead people to massive success too, because a lot of projects that are eventually successful takes long enough to get there that you'd give up if they didn't have that seductive effect.
The problem, of course, is figuring out when enough is enough (though the absence of commercial success is not necessarily a good yardstick, if it's still fun)
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There is also not much money in "curing cancer", unfortunately.
That's non-sense, people (and their pets) will continue to get cancer, even if a cure is found. The Nobel prize alone would be worth it.
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I'd love to do a free redesign for Twicsy. Email me (inlith@gmail.com) if you're interested. My portfolio is at madebyargon.com
I'm curious. Why free? Portfolio juice?
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I am. Like digging through analytics. Some people pay me for it (not a hint, just a fact). I feel something is missing in this story... Google has very few sites linking to yours (~35 pages, mostly garbage pages), reports a huge number of indexed pages, but actually shows very few. Why? Hummingbird update or something else? A search for Twicsy links in twitter finds hardly anything, except the site name in combinatio…
hmm, you've reaffirmed my suspicions. The image suggestions for a google search of Twicsy was just adult material. The TechCrunch article in 2009 criticised the website for being creepy http://techcrunch.com/2009/06/19/twicsy-is-a-killer-and-kind... "As you might imagine, this service pulls up a lot of slightly personal pics, such as couples being all cutesy together. Since you don’t know any of them, it’s slightly c…
I would bet the top search on google is something simple porn related like "sex" similar to Twicsy. But that doesn't mean google is a porn site that no one should advertise on.
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I will keep Twicsy going until it makes much less than no sense at all!!!!!!! But, I am already working on the next thing and we have generated more revenue in the last few months than Twicsy/Dumbfind/Searchles did in 10 years.
That's incredible, congratulations! Care to share what you're working on? Or at least what process led you to the new project?
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How much do these bannings hurt your profitability ? Any way to quantify it ?
The answer to this question determines how much you can afford to either outsource or invest in internal deployment of porn detection. Also, hi Chris!