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Re: My really successful, unfundable, piece of shit startup I hate to love

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I agree with this perspective. Every idea can't be curing cancer, and many innovative ideas are stumbled on while playing with something else - like Feynman discovering quantum electrodynamics because he was curious about why spinning plates wobble. You need to follow your instincts. At a minimum, you're providing a service to thousands of people and sheparding a product through its lifecycle. I don't know if working…

There is also not much money in "curing cancer", unfortunately.

That's non-sense, people (and their pets) will continue to get cancer, even if a cure is found. The Nobel prize alone would be worth it.

Re: My really successful, unfundable, piece of shit startup I hate to love

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Agreed with mobile optimization, I have over 35% mobile traffic and I am doing a terrible job of taking advantage of this. But I don't know the first thing about how to do this. I have done some research and experiments but honestly couldn't make sense of it. Yes, I am banned from Adsense, and just about every top tier ad network. There is a certain amount of porn on Twicsy (maybe 10% of overall traffic, nothing eart…

How much do these bannings hurt your profitability ? Any way to quantify it ?

The answer to this question determines how much you can afford to either outsource or invest in internal deployment of porn detection. Also, hi Chris!

Re: My really successful, unfundable, piece of shit startup I hate to love

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Interesting... HN seems to be more responsive to stories of failed start ups than averagely successful businesses. Is this because most are reluctant to tell the world they've failed? Doesn't this go counter to the failure-is-good argument.

It's as if one comes out more genuine iff bad news are shared rather than good news. FYI, I don't personally see OP's app/outcome as a failure in itself.

Re: My really successful, unfundable, piece of shit startup I hate to love

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Sharing some of the analytics behind how you think people use the site would probably make for a much more interesting discussion around monetization. EG - I can't figure out how or why 6m uniques would show up here, or what they're doing. And that's not an insult, I am curious - are they looking for discovery / trends? Are they looking to see all the latest pics of a user? etc? Those are dramatically different user…

SEO is the largest feeder of traffic for Twicsy. People get there by searching for a very long tail of things. But there are quite a few that return just to browse around it seems, or check out the top photos. Agreed, the UX/UI is terrible. One big problem is that I am a terrible web developer, I am really just a back end data guy that knows enough to be dangerous on the front end. But that's part of the reason why I…

Given how long you've been doing this, you've overlapped with my last startup, which had similar issues (Edgeio.com - long since defunct; we started development in 2005; sold off the assets end of 2007; the service was a classified aggregator).

We got a huge amount of traffic via SEO, and lots of long tail traffic (e.g. we'd come up first for a huge number of zip codes). A big problem with our consumer site was atrocious bounce rates: Most people clicked through out of curiosity, looked around on that single page or maybe one more, and left never to be seen again, because we did a really poor job of hooking them unless they happened to be looking for classified ads matching that particular long tail term, which few were. We should in retrospect have treated those visits as someone watching an ad for our site, rather than as a conscious visit by a user of our site, because most of our traffic was from people who likely did not even realise what the site was about by the time they clicked back or closed the window.

A big part of the challenge for you as well, I think, is driving down bounce rates and challenging those users into other parts of the site and to repeat visits by helping them "get" what they can get out of the site other than 15 seconds of looking at that one image.

If I was you, I'd segment users hard on referrals vs. direct traffic and cookied vs. uncookied (assume first time visitors). First of all, are you earning any money on those first time referral users? If not, that gives you total freedom to experiment. But regardless, subject the first time referred users to an absolute battery of segmented tests (A/B or multivariate or whatever scheme you're comfortable you can analyze results from) with pretty much the sole purpose of figuring out how to get more of those users to visit more sticky pages. Especially if people are coming in from long tail searches, I think you'd be better focusing on turning them into users than "drive by" assaulting them with ads like it feels like the site currently is doing.

E.g. consider imgur. Consider users coming to imgur pages from Reddit (consider your specific traffic sources, and whether or not you can do anything "special" for them)- not only do they get an interface to navigate that in many cases are more convenient than continuing to browse the equivalent image reddits, but you can even go to imgur.com/r/someimagereddit (e.g. http://imgur.com/r/pics) and get all the pictures from that subreddit in one place. It's seductive. Then there's ability to comment. The image pages themselves are extremely clean. It's seductive.

While if I get to your site from Google search results (say by entering "twitter babes" and going to the image results - I tested, it gives a Twicsy result high up, in between the porn), I need to go below the fold to even realize that there are related pictures, and there are no "niceties" like being able to use cursor left/right to move through a "gallery", or space to enlarge the image, as on imgur.com (if there are on Twicsy, I didn't notice them). What is there is massively distracting ads.

Imgur is teasing people in when they hit it for the first time, making it very tempting to click one more image, while your site is pretty much bunching people in the face with ads, which makes it hard to even discover the potential.

Re: My really successful, unfundable, piece of shit startup I hate to love

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I get that people are trying to be helpful, and think that's great. But this blog post was awesome, raw, and captured something that so few of us can really relate to. Dude grinds for 10 years, keeps grinding, doesn't know where to go but will probably keep grinding. "Twicsy, you son of a bitch. You frustrate me so. I love you, but oh how I hate to love you." Shine on, buddy. Best of luck!

The projects I've kept grinding on for the longest have been the ones with the worst odds of making me rich. There are many types of projects that are just too seductive and habit forming. "Just one more tweak" becomes an intellectual challenge or a hobby as much as about business.

Though ultimately I think those kinds of projects are also the ones that often lead people to massive success too, because a lot of projects that are eventually successful takes long enough to get there that you'd give up if they didn't have that seductive effect.

The problem, of course, is figuring out when enough is enough (though the absence of commercial success is not necessarily a good yardstick, if it's still fun)

Re: My really successful, unfundable, piece of shit startup I hate to love

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There is also not much money in "curing cancer", unfortunately.

That's non-sense, people (and their pets) will continue to get cancer, even if a cure is found. The Nobel prize alone would be worth it.

I think what he means is that the ratio of the profits to the cost to discover a cure is much smaller than in other industries.

Re: My really successful, unfundable, piece of shit startup I hate to love

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I'd love to do a free redesign for Twicsy. Email me (inlith@gmail.com) if you're interested. My portfolio is at madebyargon.com

I'm curious. Why free? Portfolio juice?

I think he'll get money along the way. Link to his portfolio, more followers on Twitter, more people knowing what he does and everything else that comes with popularity.

Re: My really successful, unfundable, piece of shit startup I hate to love

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I am. Like digging through analytics. Some people pay me for it (not a hint, just a fact). I feel something is missing in this story... Google has very few sites linking to yours (~35 pages, mostly garbage pages), reports a huge number of indexed pages, but actually shows very few. Why? Hummingbird update or something else? A search for Twicsy links in twitter finds hardly anything, except the site name in combinatio…

hmm, you've reaffirmed my suspicions. The image suggestions for a google search of Twicsy was just adult material. The TechCrunch article in 2009 criticised the website for being creepy http://techcrunch.com/2009/06/19/twicsy-is-a-killer-and-kind... "As you might imagine, this service pulls up a lot of slightly personal pics, such as couples being all cutesy together. Since you don’t know any of them, it’s slightly c…

I regularly review the most trafficked pics on Twicsy and my rough estimate is that about 10-15% of the traffic is porn. But it is hard to know exactly because there is such a long tail of activity. My theory for why the associated words are usually porn is that there is less of long tail of activity when it comes to porn searches than regular searches. It didn't use to be this way, I think that 2 years ago roughly half the traffic was porn and when I realized this I was quite disheartened. I started taking aggressive steps to remove it and mitigate it and traffic suffered for a while, and I thought that was the end of Twicsy. But it bounced back after a few months and kept slogging on...

I would bet the top search on google is something simple porn related like "sex" similar to Twicsy. But that doesn't mean google is a porn site that no one should advertise on.

Re: My really successful, unfundable, piece of shit startup I hate to love

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I will keep Twicsy going until it makes much less than no sense at all!!!!!!! But, I am already working on the next thing and we have generated more revenue in the last few months than Twicsy/Dumbfind/Searchles did in 10 years.

That's incredible, congratulations! Care to share what you're working on? Or at least what process led you to the new project?

http://distillerylab.com Sounds boring to most probably, but I love to play with data! And we have real clients!

Re: My really successful, unfundable, piece of shit startup I hate to love

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How much do these bannings hurt your profitability ? Any way to quantify it ?

The answer to this question determines how much you can afford to either outsource or invest in internal deployment of porn detection. Also, hi Chris!

Hi John! We do not download images so porn detection would be a huge endeavor.
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