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Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

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Re: Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

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So you’d punish Google too? Edit: Cached version instead of the bloodsucking WSJ paywalled version. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zoneG32...

You realize that suit was from before the two companies merged.

So? Filing a suit does not some how lock it into going forward. Plaintiff can stop it at any time. Motorola's suits are still going on because that is what Google wants.

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I think RockStar is even worse because they are an NPE that is a sham front set up to further the anticompetitive business interests of two of the largest and most dominant companies on the planet. That's all the evil of a patent troll plus extra ...

> [...] largest and most dominant companies on the planet. ... in software.

No. By market cap, Apple is the largest company in the world, full stop[1]. Microsoft is number 7, having spent much of the 90's at #1. Google does not rank at all. So at least by some definitions these companies are indeed the largest in the world without qualification.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_corporations_by_market_...

Re: Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

#153

Easy people, don't waste your emotional energy. Microsoft has been collecting Android licensing fee for years now. Apple has the objective to kill Androids. And you think Google don't use patent to sue? These companies are all evils.

I believe Google has only used patents defensively. At least that's what I've heard their official position is, and I haven't heard anyone call them out for violating it.

Re: Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

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It's a little early to say for sure, but I predict this will do more to hurt Apple's reputation in the tech community than anything they've done before. And that is not a good community to alienate. I would not be surprised if they look back on this move one day and feel that they ended up net worse off as a result. Apple used to be careful not to alienate hackers. And Microsoft has been gradually digging itself out…

> hurt Apple's reputation in the tech community than anything they've done before They're not the ones suing Google. Rockstar's a separate entity with its own corp leadership that has incentives to find ways to recoup their investment. >Apple used to be careful not to alienate hackers. Google and their monopolistic practices and their anti-competition ploys is what has alienated more hackers than Apple ever will. >No…

> They're not the ones suing Google. Rockstar's a separate entity..

You must be new here to not know the scammy tactics Patent trolls use to hide behind and operate within.

But judging from your newly created account, I'm going with just another standard shill.

Re: Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

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How dare they! And how dare Linus Torvalds "dump" Linux on the industry, or Mozilla "dump" Firefox. They should be required by law to charge high fees!

I wouldn't rush to that analogy. Microsoft dumped IE and we mostly agree that that was kind of dirty. From another angle, Google is trying to leverage one monopoly in order to break into another, and they did it by poorly copying the iPhone. There aren't really any "good guys" in this picture, but I at least give Microsoft a nod for trying (and failing) to do something different.

IE wasn't released unbundled from the OS as source for anyone to fork, so it's a false equivalence. If IE was released like Firefox/Mozilla was, no one would be complaining.

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I know it's been said before, but to reiterate: outrage doesn't help anything, but buying products from these companies DOES hurt. If you're truly outraged enough to want to take action, take action - writing to your representatives - donating to the EFF or other organizations - by not donating another $2k to Apple for a new Mac*, implicitly endorsing these bullshit tactics - not developing for those platforms (App S…

"Don't buy Macs" is not going to work well around here. Most HNers develop software on Mac and see it as the ideal development platform. I'd say they don't care about what Apple does (it's not the first time Apple does that either).

With the exception of iOS developers, I think that most developers would find that development is actually much nicer in Linux than it is in OS X.

The amount of pain involved in setting up a coherent development environment in OS X is almost comical after setting up an equivalent in Ubuntu or Fedora.

Re: Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

#157
It will be interesting to see how this goes now that it is (essentially) an all-American battle. The Samsung / Apple suit was always complicated by suspicions about the jury, partly (but not only) because it seemed impossible for a US jury to take an unbiased view of a trial between such an emblematic American company and a foreign corporation. This one will be a much different contest and perhaps we have a better chance of seeing a real examination of the underlying patent issues occur.

Re: Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

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post #28

I know it's been said before, but to reiterate: outrage doesn't help anything, but buying products from these companies DOES hurt. If you're truly outraged enough to want to take action, take action - writing to your representatives - donating to the EFF or other organizations - by not donating another $2k to Apple for a new Mac*, implicitly endorsing these bullshit tactics - not developing for those platforms (App S…

"Don't buy Macs" is not going to work well around here. Most HNers develop software on Mac and see it as the ideal development platform. I'd say they don't care about what Apple does (it's not the first time Apple does that either).

Macs may be better, but this has gone beyond healthy competition. This is not right, and we must do what we can to stop it.

Deploying this patent portfolio offensively can only postpone innovation. It's bad for customers, it's bad for the industry, and I'd argue it's bad for humanity.

Coincidentally, Google released Android 4.4 today. It brings a modern browser with much improved battery life to older, less capable hardware.

This is a win for people of average means, and it extends access to the world's information to people in developing countries that wouldn't have had the opportunity on more expensive hardware. Would we be where we are today without Android?

Use the patents as a defense against patent troll attacks. But when you become a patent troll yourself, you are now the enemy.

Fuck Apple. Fuck Microsoft.

I will do everything I can to avoid their products, even if the alternatives aren't as good. They're both a net-negative for humanity.

Re: Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

#160

Somebody please show me a single patent on software or a so called business-process that is worth anything (i.e. not obvious to somebody skilled in the art). Just one... I'll shut up then. Patents were supposed to encourage innovation, now they are doing the opposite (at least for software and business processes) and causing billions of wasted dollars and fat bonuses for patent lawyers. This move seems a bit desperat…

I'd like to second and amplify this comment. I've been searching for a single example of a software patent having ever been used to protect and promote innovation, rather than to just stifle competition or extort money from people who happen to build a successful business.

If someone can provide a single instance of a software patent being used as a vehicle for promoting the arts and sciences, advancing the state of technology, or providing a means for a small inventor to bring a product to market that otherwise would not have been viable without the patent, I would be enormously grateful.

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