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Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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Post by balabaster »

junto wrote: post #181
SomeCallMeTim wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the biggest barrier to entry of any new and secure email protocol will be GMail. GMail (and similar services) are what most people seem to use at this point. And GMail won't update to 3.0 in any meaningful way, no matter what, since they want to be able to mine the data in your email, so they will still be storing it on their servers "in the clear." Which means the next time NSA hacks their servers, they'll s…

I think that the greatest barrier will be Exchange and other corporate email servers software. Without corporate buy-in, this will never take off. Corps "need" to have an overview of the messages unsecured. There is no such thing as personal privacy in the corporate world, only corporate privacy.

I disagree somewhat with this, if it needs to be secure end to end, then the server just needs to support that protocol. The question is, if you don't want to leak any metadata, then how do you put it in the right mailbox? You need a pub/sub type protocol where you can go in and grab the messages meant for you, but the server must not know they're meant for you and you must be able to do so completely anonymously. How do you achieve that? Exchange certainly can't be configured for that, so you need to replace it with an entirely new (and hopefully open source) mail server that supports most of the Exchange functionality - server push etc.

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Post by bentcorner »

vidarh wrote: post #173
sandstrom wrote: post #57

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I totally agree, I really think you should change the name. Some suggestions: - Locke Mail [from John Locke] - Mill Mail [from John Stuart Mill] - Hobbes Mail - Liberty Mail

Prtty much nobody would understand the connotations of Locke, Mill or Hobbes, and amongst those who do they'd be contentious. Consider that for example Mill thought despotism could be acceptable under utilitarian principles if the end result was a better society afterwards; I don't know what you think of Marx [Marx Mail? Maybe not], but even an authoritarian reading of Marx ideological works fits within utilitarian p…

"Free-Mail" is a possibility. It rolls off the tongue like "email", is not so politically charged like "Freedom-Mail", and can entice people with the word "Free" while you can educate them (not an easy problem to solve though) with the "Free as in Freedom, not as in Beer".

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Post by theboss »

conroy wrote: post #163
theboss wrote: post #140

I hope to see this magic new mystery protocol as something similar to TextSecure, where we have forward secrecy from the OTR protocol. The current e-mail protocols are far too centralized, which doesn't make sense. Mail is delivered, and after that, it is no longer in possession of USPS. This is unlike how E-mail works (even though it kind of seems like that's what happens). I hope to see some kind of client being re…

The protocol is based on SCIMP[0] which supports forward secrecy. [0]: https://silentcircle.com/web/scimp-protocol/

Aha, very good find. Okay then I am pleased.

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Post by fusiongyro »

natural219 wrote: post #45

I appreciate the cheekiness of calling it the "Dark Mail Alliance", but from a purely PR perspective, it would make sense to reconsider your name if you are taking the position that encrypted end-to-end email is not solely an interest of those pursuing shady or deviant activities.

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Post by Toenex »

RamiK wrote: post #89
sandstrom wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally agree, I really think you should change the name. Some suggestions: - Locke Mail [from John Locke] - Mill Mail [from John Stuart Mill] - Hobbes Mail - Liberty Mail

Freedom \ Liberty \ Patriot \ Constitution Mail would be very effective in blocking political speeches and biased headlines from cheap attacks. My personal favorite is Lincoln Mail... Seems highly appropriate on many levels and should be FOX News proof.

How about MyMail because it's mine to give, not yours to take.

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Post by asmala »

jakobe wrote: post #154
adeptus wrote: post #101

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I suggest names that don't have limited country/cultural references if the intent is to make this a global success. Some other suggestions: -SecMail (Secure Email) -PrivMail (private/privacy email) -FMail (freedom email) -NetMail (New Internet standard email) And thank you for taking this on, it is seriously needed. And please, no reliance on CA certs, chances are the NSA has compromised at least some of those.

I like Fmail because it is the alphabetical successor to Email.

First thought; Brilliant. Second thought; E, F, Gmail…

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Post by mpyne »

chadillac83 wrote: post #58
natural219 wrote: post #45

I appreciate the cheekiness of calling it the "Dark Mail Alliance", but from a purely PR perspective, it would make sense to reconsider your name if you are taking the position that encrypted end-to-end email is not solely an interest of those pursuing shady or deviant activities.

I think the "Dark" in "Dark Mail Alliance" is meant more in the sense that it's "off the grid" of NSA spying capabilities, not that it's meant to be used for nefarious purposes.

You could conduct entirely legit business within a 'black market' but most people will still assume it's nefarious until proven otherwise.

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Post by quotha »

sandstrom wrote: post #57
natural219 wrote: post #45

I appreciate the cheekiness of calling it the "Dark Mail Alliance", but from a purely PR perspective, it would make sense to reconsider your name if you are taking the position that encrypted end-to-end email is not solely an interest of those pursuing shady or deviant activities.

I totally agree, I really think you should change the name. Some suggestions: - Locke Mail [from John Locke] - Mill Mail [from John Stuart Mill] - Hobbes Mail - Liberty Mail

I like the name - after all it is just a name - is the Patriot Act patriotic??
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