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Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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I appreciate the cheekiness of calling it the "Dark Mail Alliance", but from a purely PR perspective, it would make sense to reconsider your name if you are taking the position that encrypted end-to-end email is not solely an interest of those pursuing shady or deviant activities.

I totally agree, I really think you should change the name. Some suggestions: - Locke Mail [from John Locke] - Mill Mail [from John Stuart Mill] - Hobbes Mail - Liberty Mail

BlackMail

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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"Well, Bob, as your viewers may know, 'Smith Mail' came out of a group that calls themselves 'The Dark Mail Alliance'. This is a group of anti-government hackers that..."

"... keep their software in a so called 'subversion' repository, clearly for nefarious ends."

"So we told them to git out of town. "

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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And over an unencrypted channel no less, www.darkmail.info doesn't have ssl, so the NSA will know if you are interested.

It is not a crime to be interested in something like this.

You need not commit crimes to be persecuted by the government.

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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And over an unencrypted channel no less, www.darkmail.info doesn't have ssl, so the NSA will know if you are interested.

It is not a crime to be interested in something like this.

No, but it probably triggers another flag on your dossier

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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I hope they are successful. For a long time I have wished that someone with the expertise and time would be motivated to create a new email system from the ground up, and make that system widely available and 'open' (in the sense of open protocols). There are many challenges, but if they can pull it off there are many benefits as well. And perhaps the nicest part is that it is hard to actively oppose such efforts wit…

I think the biggest barrier to entry of any new and secure email protocol will be GMail. GMail (and similar services) are what most people seem to use at this point.

And GMail won't update to 3.0 in any meaningful way, no matter what, since they want to be able to mine the data in your email, so they will still be storing it on their servers "in the clear." Which means the next time NSA hacks their servers, they'll still be able to read all the email.

Best case is that email 3.0 will interoperate with 1.0, or GMail at least accepts 3.0, if only to unencrypt it on their servers. Short of that, it would take a compelling use case to convince people to leave GMail, so we'd be right back to where we are with email 2.0: No critical mass of adoption, meaning 98% of the email you receive and write is unencrypted.

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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I totally agree, I really think you should change the name. Some suggestions: - Locke Mail [from John Locke] - Mill Mail [from John Stuart Mill] - Hobbes Mail - Liberty Mail

Freedom \ Liberty \ Patriot \ Constitution Mail would be very effective in blocking political speeches and biased headlines from cheap attacks. My personal favorite is Lincoln Mail... Seems highly appropriate on many levels and should be FOX News proof.

As a European, something called "Lincoln mail" would give me a bit of a rash...

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

#97

If you were interested in seeing any details whatsoever about the protocol there are none either in the article or on the official website.

They appear to be talking about this thing: https://silentcircle.com/web/scimp-protocol/ I thought we didn't want to use the NIST curves (like ECC-384?) anymore... seems something like Curve25519 might be better.

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Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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Not sure I understand. Both SilentCircle and Lavabit have ceased offering their services. Are they now combined in an advocacy group to design a new email protocol and get it adopted by the IETF?

Silent Circle has ceased offering an email service, not all services.

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally agree, I really think you should change the name. Some suggestions: - Locke Mail [from John Locke] - Mill Mail [from John Stuart Mill] - Hobbes Mail - Liberty Mail

Freedom \ Liberty \ Patriot \ Constitution Mail would be very effective in blocking political speeches and biased headlines from cheap attacks. My personal favorite is Lincoln Mail... Seems highly appropriate on many levels and should be FOX News proof.

Lincoln Mail would be shot while in the Security Theater.

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

#100

I appreciate the cheekiness of calling it the "Dark Mail Alliance", but from a purely PR perspective, it would make sense to reconsider your name if you are taking the position that encrypted end-to-end email is not solely an interest of those pursuing shady or deviant activities.

Came to say the exact same thing, I can't upvote this enough. It makes it sound negative, similar to the phrase "black hat".

Totally agree.

There was a talk show on the radio yesterday about Tor, the illegal trade of drugs and other bad things on the Internet. They referred to it as "The dark web".

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