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Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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Gabriel Monroy here, creator of Deis, one of the Docker PaaS's ( http://deis.io/overview/ ). I'd love to pick your brain about your current dilemma and see if we can help. Email me: gabriel _at_ opdemand.com.

Mind if I e-mail you too? My company is considering using deis for deployment in the near future.

Of course! I'm also on twitter @gabrtv or #deis on Freenode.

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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There is definitely a hack :) You should join the #docker channel on irc (freenode) and ask for keeb or jpetazzo, they can help you out. If they don't, someone else probably will. People are very nice and useful there.

Yep, as shykes says, I'm always available to help. Take a look at how I built tryrethink.info (which covers this topic and more) -> http://nick.stinemat.es

Thanks! That was really helpful!

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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Docker shall not be distributed or downloaded to or in Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan or Syria This statement occurs in the docker README[0]. If at all possible, one would want to keep such channeling of potentially offensive government policy out of an open source software project's public documentation. For one thing, there are many enthusiastic open source programmers residing in the above list of countries. The N…

This is kinda a non-negotiable for them, isn't it? It's not like they suddenly decided to enforce the USG policy and make a big deal about it.

IANAL, but it seems prudent to acknowledge that the crypto work was done in the USA and therefore falls under the export policy that ALL exportable software falls under. My company has to include this warning on its software and we even have two different versions (domestic and export) to deal with this issue.

I know it's unpopular, but why make Docker answer for it? Take it up with the USG if it makes you that unhappy.

Better yet, strip out all the non-exportable code, replace it with code written from outside the USA and presto-changes, you've solved a problem for the whole world.

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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Docker shall not be distributed or downloaded to or in Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan or Syria This statement occurs in the docker README[0]. If at all possible, one would want to keep such channeling of potentially offensive government policy out of an open source software project's public documentation. For one thing, there are many enthusiastic open source programmers residing in the above list of countries. The N…

This is kinda a non-negotiable for them, isn't it? It's not like they suddenly decided to enforce the USG policy and make a big deal about it. IANAL, but it seems prudent to acknowledge that the crypto work was done in the USA and therefore falls under the export policy that ALL exportable software falls under. My company has to include this warning on its software and we even have two different versions (domestic an…

Docker maintainer here. I also hate having to put this in the README (and hate it even more each time someone from Iran offers to contribute... what a waste of talent and energy this policy creates!).

But we triple-checked with our legal counsel and they confirmed it's the only way to stay unambiguously out of trouble. As un-tasteful as it is, it's better than causing unnecessary legal trouble for docker contributors down the road.

If you're interested in the subject here's an edifying expose of the situation: http://harpers.org/blog/2013/08/andrew-cockburn-on-the-failu...

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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Docker shall not be distributed or downloaded to or in Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan or Syria This statement occurs in the docker README[0]. If at all possible, one would want to keep such channeling of potentially offensive government policy out of an open source software project's public documentation. For one thing, there are many enthusiastic open source programmers residing in the above list of countries. The N…

There is a small open source Linux distro called Fedora that has the same "xenophobic" and "offensive" notice.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Export

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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As a user of Docker, I'm excited. But as someone who uses the dotCloud PaaS right now to run a company, I'm a little annoyed, mostly at myself for not seeing this coming. Clearly there's a diversion of resources away from the dotCloud PaaS to Docker, and that's going to have a toll somewhere. Despite the company's reassurances that everything is business as usual, I know that Docker [the project] is just too much of…

There are lots of hosting providers besides digitalocean - linode is a big one, so is joyent. I've been trying out digitalocean, but they make me nervous about reliability. Twice in 2 weeks I've gotten nonsensical abuse notifications (spamming, copyright infringement). One of the complaints was only 10 minutes after I spun up a droplet - my deploy script hadn't even finished. Makes me very nervous that DO will shut o…

Those providers are not PaaS providers, though -- they're IaaS providers. I don't want something where step 1 is "install an OS" or "configure iptables". I want something where deployment looks more like "git push origin/master --app production".

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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As a user of Docker, I'm excited. But as someone who uses the dotCloud PaaS right now to run a company, I'm a little annoyed, mostly at myself for not seeing this coming. Clearly there's a diversion of resources away from the dotCloud PaaS to Docker, and that's going to have a toll somewhere. Despite the company's reassurances that everything is business as usual, I know that Docker [the project] is just too much of…

There's no need to make a hasty decision -- we haven't changed the platform in any way or lowered our support efforts. If you've found that you can count on the dotCloud PaaS for your business (and thank you for that!), then nothing changed today. We're still here for you. If you feel like you want to get ready for running on another platform, or using Docker as it matures, then I'd suggest the first step would be to…

How the heck can you put a PaaS business on the back-burner while you bet the company on a small piece of software and expect customers to stick around?

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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There's no need to make a hasty decision -- we haven't changed the platform in any way or lowered our support efforts. If you've found that you can count on the dotCloud PaaS for your business (and thank you for that!), then nothing changed today. We're still here for you. If you feel like you want to get ready for running on another platform, or using Docker as it matures, then I'd suggest the first step would be to…

How the heck can you put a PaaS business on the back-burner while you bet the company on a small piece of software and expect customers to stick around?

It depends on your definition of "back-burner". DotCloud might no longer be one of the most innovative PaaS, adding features left and right like it used to - but there's no reason it can't continue to be a reliable place to host your applications. DotCloud production customers want availability, performance, reliable support, good tooling, prompt bugfixes, and generous advance warning and transition support in the event of a sunset. It's very important to us that they continue to get all these things.

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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How the heck can you put a PaaS business on the back-burner while you bet the company on a small piece of software and expect customers to stick around?

It depends on your definition of "back-burner". DotCloud might no longer be one of the most innovative PaaS, adding features left and right like it used to - but there's no reason it can't continue to be a reliable place to host your applications. DotCloud production customers want availability, performance, reliable support, good tooling, prompt bugfixes, and generous advance warning and transition support in the ev…

I actually thought "back-burner" was generous:

"While Docker, Inc. will continue to offer PaaS services under the dotCloud brand, we will be devoting the vast majority of our resources towards growing Docker and the Docker ecosystem, and have fundamentally re-oriented our business model towards Docker-related products and services."

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