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Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by ams6110 »

rsl7 wrote: post #58
hboon wrote: post #2

Mail in Mavericks is bad. Since the previews, I have not been able to archive emails for Gmail accounts or Google Apps for Business. A subset of mails archived directly on Gmail will appear and stay in Mail's Inbox. I'm not sure where the developers for Mail went to that they didn't have the resources to fix it. Maybe to help with the iOS 7 crunch?

In my head, Mail.app was written for Steve, who I imagine was a read-reply-delete kind of a guy, and not much else mattered.

Mail.app is an old NEXTSTEP app. It's probably one of the oldest apps on the platform, and it's always sucked.

There was even a windows version for a while, which you could get if you bought NeXT's Enterprise Objects Framework for Windows NT.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by sgs1370 »

buster wrote: post #120
dmbaggett wrote: post #60

If you're sick of the mail program that comes with your OS, try Inky ( http://inky.com ). It's still in beta, but we just put out a refreshed version that fixes a lot of issues users reported throughout 2013. Lots of polishing work still remains, but we're happily dog-fooding it and have a loyal following around the world. (And yes, Linux guys, we're still planning to release a version for Ubuntu -- finally.) Inky is…

I would love to find a new mail client to replace evolution or thunderbird. Will Inky be released for Debian as well? Does Inky support this? - proper mail indexing and search on large mailboxes - S/MIME - per-account HTML signatures - CardDAV - CalDAV Edit: Also, i am wondering what inky's business model is? Will the client cost money in the future? Ads?

We're working on linux support.

    - Inky caches your email on your computer and indexes it.  We'll continue to improve the performance aspects of this.
    - S/Mime and calendar support are on our to-do list.
    - Inky lets you create per-account HTML signatures, and a default signature for the others.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by matwood »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #98
dmak wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Sparrow since I got my MBP, and I haven't found any better solution yet.

Sparrow is no longer being maintained, though. Personally I am pretty happy with the switch to Airmail [1], which has all the same features, at the expense of some minor, not very annoying bugs. [1] http://airmailapp.com/

I looked at Airmail, but it doesn't support S/MIME yet.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by dmbaggett »

lancewiggs wrote: post #116
dmbaggett wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So your differing point of view means it's OK to malign us publicly? By "FUD" you surely meant to imply that we were trying to do something malicious, when, literally, all we're trying to do is make people's inboxes ever-so-slightly happier places. To be clear: - this is a really hard problem - we're iterating in public to get user feedback - we're not charging anything and don't have any immediate plans to - we spec…

Those are potential customers you are yelling at. Really smart early adopters with influence. And a very large number of people are watching. Whether they are right or wrong, we are all watching for how you handle the situation. Between this and an avoided answer to whether you keep passwords in the cloud you've lost one potential customer.

I didn't avoid the question on security; I pointed everyone to FAQ that specifically answers that question. And I didn't yell at anyone. But if someone spits in your face, you're allowed to wipe the spit off, aren't you?

But sure, take your ball and go home.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by dmbaggett »

bengotow wrote: post #108
dmbaggett wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GMail's IMAP server actually works well... it just violates the spec in several obnoxious ways. For Inky ( http://inky.com ) we had to devote a bunch of Gimap-specific effort into explicitly syncing flags, for example, because Gimap simply doesn't notify clients of flag changes. Inky has to poll Gimap for flag changes rather than passively learning about them via IMAP IDLE. And the treatment of labels as folders is a…

Is there any way to use Inky without it syncing all of my account passwords to the cloud? It looks awesome, but I just can't do that.

No. But it's important to realize that we don't actually store any of your mail in the cloud. You're not really syncing to anywhere but the Inky instance on your device.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by dmbaggett »

bdcravens wrote: post #107
dmbaggett wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) We address the (fairly complex) questions around authentication in our FAQ: http://inky.com/pages/faq/ -- you have to scroll to the bottom for security details. 2) It will. Give it a little while to find your contacts. :)

How long is a "little while"?

5 minutes or so, unless something is wrong.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by dmbaggett »

bdcravens wrote: post #110
dmbaggett wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

:( That's primarily a reaction to the dozens of mail startups that layer on top of GMail instead of supporting IMAP, POP, and SMTP etc. But obviously there's something on that page to offend anyone who tries hard enough to be offended.

Then say "startup mail clients" not "most mail clients". I know if I surveyed your typical business persons and had them list out "popular mail clients", you'd almost never hear the "mail startups" you're referring to. I think there may be a bit of echo chamber going on, as if your only customers would be the HN crowd.

I get what you're saying, but regular people have no idea what the difference is between a mail client, GMail, and something like Mailbox. It's just "the thing I use read my email". That was the thinking behind the statement in the first place: we let you check mail in all your accounts, unlike most alternatives consumers use.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by w4 »

dmbaggett wrote: post #60

If you're sick of the mail program that comes with your OS, try Inky ( http://inky.com ). It's still in beta, but we just put out a refreshed version that fixes a lot of issues users reported throughout 2013. Lots of polishing work still remains, but we're happily dog-fooding it and have a loyal following around the world. (And yes, Linux guys, we're still planning to release a version for Ubuntu -- finally.) Inky is…

I'm super interested -- do you guys offer notifications/setting reminders on messages for later (like Mailbox.app)? I really need that, because I'm disorganized and forgetful and it saves my ass constantly.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by coldcode »

dmbaggett wrote: post #66
coldcode wrote: post #9

Email is always a bitch. Google's implementation of IMAP is a disaster as well. I have yet to find any email app on any platform that I can't swear at daily. I even tried to write my own before sanity returned.

GMail's IMAP server actually works well... it just violates the spec in several obnoxious ways. For Inky ( http://inky.com ) we had to devote a bunch of Gimap-specific effort into explicitly syncing flags, for example, because Gimap simply doesn't notify clients of flag changes. Inky has to poll Gimap for flag changes rather than passively learning about them via IMAP IDLE. And the treatment of labels as folders is a…

I may checkout inky.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by dmbaggett »

w4 wrote: post #128
dmbaggett wrote: post #60

If you're sick of the mail program that comes with your OS, try Inky ( http://inky.com ). It's still in beta, but we just put out a refreshed version that fixes a lot of issues users reported throughout 2013. Lots of polishing work still remains, but we're happily dog-fooding it and have a loyal following around the world. (And yes, Linux guys, we're still planning to release a version for Ubuntu -- finally.) Inky is…

I'm super interested -- do you guys offer notifications/setting reminders on messages for later (like Mailbox.app)? I really need that, because I'm disorganized and forgetful and it saves my ass constantly.

Not yet, but it's on the roadmap. Snoozing emails and related features are obviously requirements these days.

At this point we're mainly focusing on getting the core solid and performing well.

Probably another few months on that; more new features will come in 2014.

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