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Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by mtviewdave »

yapcguy wrote: post #51
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Agreed. How is Apple not to blame? If this article was about Gmail instead of Mail.app, every comment would definitely be blaming Google.

Yep. What real innovation has there been on Mac OS X since Bertrand Serlet left? Where are all the adult engineers? I've met a few people now who are contracted by Apple to work on their customer facing Apps. They commute to Cupertino from the Bay Area every day. Nice people but they're second tier. They never critique Apple, think Apple is the best at everything, and shrug their shoulders at any technology developed…

>EDIT: To poster below, with regards to the Bay Area which covers a large geographic region, I'm talking about the San Francisco peninsula area. Amongst people I know, Cupertino (which is in Santa Clara) is generally referred to as being in South Bay rather than the Bay Area.

The term "Bay Area" has always referred to the nine counties touching SF Bay, and thus includes all of Santa Clara county. I've never heard your definition of "Bay Area" before, and I grew up in San Jose.

The area you're referring to is generally called "The Peninsula".

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by MAGZine »

dmbaggett wrote: post #60

If you're sick of the mail program that comes with your OS, try Inky ( http://inky.com ). It's still in beta, but we just put out a refreshed version that fixes a lot of issues users reported throughout 2013. Lots of polishing work still remains, but we're happily dog-fooding it and have a loyal following around the world. (And yes, Linux guys, we're still planning to release a version for Ubuntu -- finally.) Inky is…

I've been looking for a replacement for Sparrow after it's gone unsupported.

Will definitely check this out and pass along any relevant feedback.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by [deleted] »

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I think you can still blame them. They're a corporation with a 470B market cap, designing machines for which email is a primary use-case. They employ thousands and thousand of engineers. They should be able to build a mail client. Many much smaller organizations manage alright.

Agreed. How is Apple not to blame? If this article was about Gmail instead of Mail.app, every comment would definitely be blaming Google.

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Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by stephencanon »

yapcguy wrote: post #51
Segmentation wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. How is Apple not to blame? If this article was about Gmail instead of Mail.app, every comment would definitely be blaming Google.

Yep. What real innovation has there been on Mac OS X since Bertrand Serlet left? Where are all the adult engineers? I've met a few people now who are contracted by Apple to work on their customer facing Apps. They commute to Cupertino from the Bay Area every day. Nice people but they're second tier. They never critique Apple, think Apple is the best at everything, and shrug their shoulders at any technology developed…

> Amongst people I know, Cupertino (which is in Santa Clara) is generally referred to as being in South Bay rather than the Bay Area.

People you know are delusional. The "Bay Area" includes the peninsula, south bay, east bay, and north bay. Some people throw in Santa Cruz, which might be a bit extreme, but I've never talked to anyone who lived there for an appreciable time period and didn't include Silicon Valley (and hence Cupertino).

> I've met a few people now who are contracted by Apple to work on their customer facing Apps.

You've met a couple of employees (or maybe contractors?), and you believe that they are representative of thousands of technical staff? That says far more about you than it does about anything else.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by dhruvmittal »

TsiCClawOfLight wrote: post #10
coldcode wrote: post #9

Email is always a bitch. Google's implementation of IMAP is a disaster as well. I have yet to find any email app on any platform that I can't swear at daily. I even tried to write my own before sanity returned.

I haven't had any issues with thunderbird.

I find it's got some unpolished corners with regards to my university's exchange system. Not really sure why it does it, but it'll occasionally deliver me emails a few hours late.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by dmbaggett »

coldcode wrote: post #9

Email is always a bitch. Google's implementation of IMAP is a disaster as well. I have yet to find any email app on any platform that I can't swear at daily. I even tried to write my own before sanity returned.

GMail's IMAP server actually works well... it just violates the spec in several obnoxious ways.

For Inky (http://inky.com) we had to devote a bunch of Gimap-specific effort into explicitly syncing flags, for example, because Gimap simply doesn't notify clients of flag changes. Inky has to poll Gimap for flag changes rather than passively learning about them via IMAP IDLE.

And the treatment of labels as folders is a mess for IMAP clients, as is the All Mail folder, which -- if not handled properly -- effectively generates a duplicate of every message in every folder.

But Gimap does work reliably in our experience. It's a bit slow, but it's less broken than IMAP servers run by other major providers (who shall remain nameless).

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by porker »

dmbaggett wrote: post #60

If you're sick of the mail program that comes with your OS, try Inky ( http://inky.com ). It's still in beta, but we just put out a refreshed version that fixes a lot of issues users reported throughout 2013. Lots of polishing work still remains, but we're happily dog-fooding it and have a loyal following around the world. (And yes, Linux guys, we're still planning to release a version for Ubuntu -- finally.) Inky is…

You might want to rethink this text on your website: "Most mail clients only support the popular email providers."

That's false FUD.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by kyro »

tomphoolery wrote: post #52
kyro wrote: post #30

I would very much appreciate an iOS 7 stripping of Mail.app. I've developed this aversion to opening up the app, and if I do by accident, it's a panicked scramble to quit. It's bloated and clunky. I would consistently get connection errors, it would randomly decide to re-sync all of my mail attachments, and more. I've been on Sparrow for a year or so now and have had zero problems. It's funny, across all of my Apple…

In Settings > Mail, Contacts & Calendars, there's a section called ACCOUNTS. Click on all of them and turn "Mail" off. This way you'll still get everything else in Calendars, Contacts, et. al., but when Mail.app opens it will be empty.

Good tip - thanks!

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by dmak »

yapcguy wrote: post #51
Segmentation wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. How is Apple not to blame? If this article was about Gmail instead of Mail.app, every comment would definitely be blaming Google.

Yep. What real innovation has there been on Mac OS X since Bertrand Serlet left? Where are all the adult engineers? I've met a few people now who are contracted by Apple to work on their customer facing Apps. They commute to Cupertino from the Bay Area every day. Nice people but they're second tier. They never critique Apple, think Apple is the best at everything, and shrug their shoulders at any technology developed…

It's the bay area, but we break it up into South bay, and East bay to easily pinpoint the location we are referring to. "She's from somewhere in the East bay", but it's still the bay area; But you don't use it in the following way, "I'm going to the South bay". You would just say, "I'm going to Cupertino/Ssn Jose/etc..." If you're referring to San Francisco, you would just say the city or San Francisco. If you say "frisko", everyone would know you're not from San Francisco.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by mistermann »

dmbaggett wrote: post #60

If you're sick of the mail program that comes with your OS, try Inky ( http://inky.com ). It's still in beta, but we just put out a refreshed version that fixes a lot of issues users reported throughout 2013. Lots of polishing work still remains, but we're happily dog-fooding it and have a loyal following around the world. (And yes, Linux guys, we're still planning to release a version for Ubuntu -- finally.) Inky is…

Do you consider yourself a good replacement for Windows Live Mail client (formerly known as outlook express)?
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