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Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#101

Post by zwily »

dmbaggett wrote: post #91
porker wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I think of "most mail clients" I think of Outlook, Thunderbird and so on - I wouldn't term something that didn't support at least one of POP or IMAP an email client. Proprietary email client maybe, like AOL's built-in one...

So your differing point of view means it's OK to malign us publicly? By "FUD" you surely meant to imply that we were trying to do something malicious, when, literally, all we're trying to do is make people's inboxes ever-so-slightly happier places. To be clear: - this is a really hard problem - we're iterating in public to get user feedback - we're not charging anything and don't have any immediate plans to - we spec…

Inky looks pretty cool, but I had the same reaction as porker when I read that part. I don't think he's trying to malign you, it's just a pretty blatantly false statement amongst a sea of neat-looking stuff.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#102

Post by mahyarm »

Someone suggested http://airmailapp.com/ as a replacement email app for OSX in a recent HN thread and I've been very happy with it. Only downside so far is it doesn't have outlook contact integration, so you don't get autocomplete for all the email addresses in your company unlike microsoft outlook. Which is too bad, because airmail + apple calendar is much faster than microsoft outlook.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#103

Post by nknighthb »

yapcguy wrote: post #100
nknighthb wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nobody in SF I know says they're taking the 101 to visit the "Bay Area", they say "South Bay" Of course, that would be silly, since they're already in the Bay Area. I bet they don't say they're going to visit California, either. By the way, "the 101" is slightly unusual phrasing, too. Usually it's just "101". Give it up. You have no idea what the bay area or anyone living in it is like, and it's obvious to everyone…

What a farce. You've just shown there is nothing wrong with my statement "commute to Cupertino from the Bay Area every day" which you seem to have such a problem with. Also with regards to: > "the 101" is slightly unusual phrasing, too. Usually it's just "101". Are you being serious?!!

One does not commute "from" a place to itself. You're trying to backpedal, but your chain is tangled in the English language's entrails.

It also makes no logical sense, as there would be no reason to mention where they commute from unless you thought it was of some significance, in which case you would want to be clear on where they are commuting from. Or are you now trying to insinuate that every engineer in the Bay Area (now that you've reversed your position and agreed the term is not limited to the peninsula), including Cupertino, is mediocre by virtue of being there, rather than only those engineers from the immediate San Francisco area?

> Are you being serious?!!

Deadly.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#105

Post by ifcho »

dmbaggett wrote: post #60

If you're sick of the mail program that comes with your OS, try Inky ( http://inky.com ). It's still in beta, but we just put out a refreshed version that fixes a lot of issues users reported throughout 2013. Lots of polishing work still remains, but we're happily dog-fooding it and have a loyal following around the world. (And yes, Linux guys, we're still planning to release a version for Ubuntu -- finally.) Inky is…

It may be nice, but it looks terrible on a Macbook Retina :-/

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#106

Post by yapcguy »

stephencanon wrote: post #95
yapcguy wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People in San Francisco who are going on the commute on the 101 don't say "I'm going to the Bay Area today" - they say "I'm going to South Bay today". People always orient around themselves. People living in Cupertino or Mountainview might say they live in the "Bay Area" but for people living further North in San Francisco or Oakland, they would consider themselves to be living in the "Bay Area" and folk further Sout…

> People in San Francisco who are going on the commute on the 101 don't say "I'm going to the Bay Area today" - they say "I'm going to South Bay today". Of course not; they're already in the Bay Area. People in Palo Alto don't say "I'm going to the Bay Area" when they drive to SF, and people on the Upper West Side don't say "I'm going to New York today" when they take the A train downtown, either. I honestly can't te…

Actually I thought you were trolling by saying people I know are delusional because they refer to Cupertino as being in South Bay (which is obviously just a subregion of the Bay Area). Another poster is getting upset because I wrote "the 101" instead of "101". Christ.

With regards to your other point, no, of course I don't think all Apple engineers are second tier, but I do feel that since Bertrand Serlet left, OS X engineering has languished.

Given that I know some competent - but not great - engineers who work at Apple (and they happen to commute) I wonder if the culture at Apple today is more about hiring competent engineers to implement a roadmap, rather than hiring great engineers and letting them loose to "think different".

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#107

Post by bdcravens »

dmbaggett wrote: post #94
bdcravens wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couple of things that bug me: 1) I have to log in to your service. Why? Makes me think you're storing my mail credentials on your server. If it's a cloud sync issue, use Dropbox/iCloud. 2) Doesn't use my Contacts in To: field. This makes it a non-starter for me. It does look pretty, I think the filtering is very smart, and I like the "smart cards".

1) We address the (fairly complex) questions around authentication in our FAQ: http://inky.com/pages/faq/ -- you have to scroll to the bottom for security details. 2) It will. Give it a little while to find your contacts. :)

How long is a "little while"?

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#108

Post by bengotow »

dmbaggett wrote: post #66
coldcode wrote: post #9

Email is always a bitch. Google's implementation of IMAP is a disaster as well. I have yet to find any email app on any platform that I can't swear at daily. I even tried to write my own before sanity returned.

GMail's IMAP server actually works well... it just violates the spec in several obnoxious ways. For Inky ( http://inky.com ) we had to devote a bunch of Gimap-specific effort into explicitly syncing flags, for example, because Gimap simply doesn't notify clients of flag changes. Inky has to poll Gimap for flag changes rather than passively learning about them via IMAP IDLE. And the treatment of labels as folders is a…

Is there any way to use Inky without it syncing all of my account passwords to the cloud? It looks awesome, but I just can't do that.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#109

Post by RexRollman »

I've been reading about IMAP for more than a decade and I keep hearing about how hard it is to get right, for both the client and the server. I've wondered why this is. Is the standard too complicated? Is it written in way that allows for too much interpretation?

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#110

Post by bdcravens »

dmbaggett wrote: post #72
porker wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to rethink this text on your website: "Most mail clients only support the popular email providers." That's false FUD.

:( That's primarily a reaction to the dozens of mail startups that layer on top of GMail instead of supporting IMAP, POP, and SMTP etc. But obviously there's something on that page to offend anyone who tries hard enough to be offended.

Then say "startup mail clients" not "most mail clients". I know if I surveyed your typical business persons and had them list out "popular mail clients", you'd almost never hear the "mail startups" you're referring to. I think there may be a bit of echo chamber going on, as if your only customers would be the HN crowd.
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