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Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by dmbaggett »

porker wrote: post #88
dmbaggett wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

:( That's primarily a reaction to the dozens of mail startups that layer on top of GMail instead of supporting IMAP, POP, and SMTP etc. But obviously there's something on that page to offend anyone who tries hard enough to be offended.

When I think of "most mail clients" I think of Outlook, Thunderbird and so on - I wouldn't term something that didn't support at least one of POP or IMAP an email client. Proprietary email client maybe, like AOL's built-in one...

So your differing point of view means it's OK to malign us publicly? By "FUD" you surely meant to imply that we were trying to do something malicious, when, literally, all we're trying to do is make people's inboxes ever-so-slightly happier places.

To be clear:

- this is a really hard problem

- we're iterating in public to get user feedback

- we're not charging anything and don't have any immediate plans to

- we specifically ask for feedback via

I'm not sure which aspect of this gave you the impression that our objective is to foist -- as you put it -- "false FUD" on poor unsuspecting consumers.

Sorry to bitch, but snarky comments are the main reason HN -- once my absolute favorite place on the web -- is turning into a useless cesspool.

See you on Quora, where the discourse is still reasonably civil.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by dmbaggett »

songgao wrote: post #89
dmbaggett wrote: post #60

If you're sick of the mail program that comes with your OS, try Inky ( http://inky.com ). It's still in beta, but we just put out a refreshed version that fixes a lot of issues users reported throughout 2013. Lots of polishing work still remains, but we're happily dog-fooding it and have a loyal following around the world. (And yes, Linux guys, we're still planning to release a version for Ubuntu -- finally.) Inky is…

Look neat. Is GPG support in plan? EDIT: also why a .pkg with password requirement instead of a simple .app ?

GPG: certainly encrypted mail is on the list

.pkg: it's so we can clean up prior installs; maybe not a permanent thing

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by farslan »

dmbaggett wrote: post #60

If you're sick of the mail program that comes with your OS, try Inky ( http://inky.com ). It's still in beta, but we just put out a refreshed version that fixes a lot of issues users reported throughout 2013. Lots of polishing work still remains, but we're happily dog-fooding it and have a loyal following around the world. (And yes, Linux guys, we're still planning to release a version for Ubuntu -- finally.) Inky is…

Do you have threaded conversation support (like the one in mutt)?

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by dmbaggett »

bdcravens wrote: post #90
dmbaggett wrote: post #60

If you're sick of the mail program that comes with your OS, try Inky ( http://inky.com ). It's still in beta, but we just put out a refreshed version that fixes a lot of issues users reported throughout 2013. Lots of polishing work still remains, but we're happily dog-fooding it and have a loyal following around the world. (And yes, Linux guys, we're still planning to release a version for Ubuntu -- finally.) Inky is…

Couple of things that bug me: 1) I have to log in to your service. Why? Makes me think you're storing my mail credentials on your server. If it's a cloud sync issue, use Dropbox/iCloud. 2) Doesn't use my Contacts in To: field. This makes it a non-starter for me. It does look pretty, I think the filtering is very smart, and I like the "smart cards".

1) We address the (fairly complex) questions around authentication in our FAQ: http://inky.com/pages/faq/ -- you have to scroll to the bottom for security details.

2) It will. Give it a little while to find your contacts. :)

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by stephencanon »

yapcguy wrote: post #79
stephencanon wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Amongst people I know, Cupertino (which is in Santa Clara) is generally referred to as being in South Bay rather than the Bay Area. People you know are delusional. The "Bay Area" includes the peninsula, south bay, east bay, and north bay. Some people throw in Santa Cruz, which might be a bit extreme, but I've never talked to anyone who lived there for an appreciable time period and didn't include Silicon Valley (an…

People in San Francisco who are going on the commute on the 101 don't say "I'm going to the Bay Area today" - they say "I'm going to South Bay today". People always orient around themselves. People living in Cupertino or Mountainview might say they live in the "Bay Area" but for people living further North in San Francisco or Oakland, they would consider themselves to be living in the "Bay Area" and folk further Sout…

> People in San Francisco who are going on the commute on the 101 don't say "I'm going to the Bay Area today" - they say "I'm going to South Bay today".

Of course not; they're already in the Bay Area. People in Palo Alto don't say "I'm going to the Bay Area" when they drive to SF, and people on the Upper West Side don't say "I'm going to New York today" when they take the A train downtown, either. I honestly can't tell whether or not you're trolling, at this point.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by dmbaggett »

farslan wrote: post #93
dmbaggett wrote: post #60

If you're sick of the mail program that comes with your OS, try Inky ( http://inky.com ). It's still in beta, but we just put out a refreshed version that fixes a lot of issues users reported throughout 2013. Lots of polishing work still remains, but we're happily dog-fooding it and have a loyal following around the world. (And yes, Linux guys, we're still planning to release a version for Ubuntu -- finally.) Inky is…

Do you have threaded conversation support (like the one in mutt)?

If you mean indenting according to thread parent/child relationships, no. We've found that the majority of users find that really confusing. It also has the negative effect that new mail arrives buried within the thread tree, not at the top where users can see it.

Threaded view might resurface some day for advanced users, but right now it's not on the roadmap.

We do support a (non-hierarchical) conversation, though (of course), as well as a sender-based view that's pretty handy in certain circumstances.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by yapcguy »

mtviewdave wrote: post #61
yapcguy wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. What real innovation has there been on Mac OS X since Bertrand Serlet left? Where are all the adult engineers? I've met a few people now who are contracted by Apple to work on their customer facing Apps. They commute to Cupertino from the Bay Area every day. Nice people but they're second tier. They never critique Apple, think Apple is the best at everything, and shrug their shoulders at any technology developed…

>EDIT: To poster below, with regards to the Bay Area which covers a large geographic region, I'm talking about the San Francisco peninsula area. Amongst people I know, Cupertino (which is in Santa Clara) is generally referred to as being in South Bay rather than the Bay Area. The term "Bay Area" has always referred to the nine counties touching SF Bay, and thus includes all of Santa Clara county. I've never heard you…

Rest assured, my definition of "Bay Area" is the same as yours.

One poster, for whatever reason, didn't like me using the phrase "commute to Cupertino from the Bay Area every day".

My Edit to that poster should have been clearer, but all I'm saying is that people I know describe themselves as going to "South Bay" when referring to their commute from the Peninsula to Cupertino, to distinguish the subregion from the whole region.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by lobster_johnson »

dmak wrote: post #77
matwood wrote: post #54

Is there another mail client for OSX that also supports gmail and s/mime? After the disaster that is the Mavericks Mail.app, I've started using Thunderbird. It can't be the only option out there.

I've been using Sparrow since I got my MBP, and I haven't found any better solution yet.

Sparrow is no longer being maintained, though. Personally I am pretty happy with the switch to Airmail [1], which has all the same features, at the expense of some minor, not very annoying bugs.

[1] http://airmailapp.com/

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by stephencanon »

dmak wrote: post #74
stephencanon wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Amongst people I know, Cupertino (which is in Santa Clara) is generally referred to as being in South Bay rather than the Bay Area. People you know are delusional. The "Bay Area" includes the peninsula, south bay, east bay, and north bay. Some people throw in Santa Cruz, which might be a bit extreme, but I've never talked to anyone who lived there for an appreciable time period and didn't include Silicon Valley (an…

I met a person in San Jose who told me they were from the city, and I asked "Oh nice, me too! Which part are you from?" He named some unheard of district, and I kept asking questions to try to pinpoint where it was, and I found out he was actually from Palo Alto. That's extreme.

That's beyond extreme. I suppose that Palo Alto is formally a City, but ...

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Post by yapcguy »

nknighthb wrote: post #86
yapcguy wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rather than providing opinion about the quality of some of the engineers working at Apple, you're nit-picking about the semantics of the term "Bay Area" and how people use it (nobody in SF I know says they're taking the 101 to visit the "Bay Area", they say "South Bay"). Since I know these people, I know their work, I know from technical discussions the level they're at, I can legitimately form an opinion, and that i…

> nobody in SF I know says they're taking the 101 to visit the "Bay Area", they say "South Bay" Of course, that would be silly, since they're already in the Bay Area. I bet they don't say they're going to visit California, either. By the way, "the 101" is slightly unusual phrasing, too. Usually it's just "101". Give it up. You have no idea what the bay area or anyone living in it is like, and it's obvious to everyone…

What a farce.

You've just shown there is nothing wrong with my statement "commute to Cupertino from the Bay Area every day" which you seem to have such a problem with.

Also with regards to:

> "the 101" is slightly unusual phrasing, too. Usually it's just "101".

Are you being serious?!!

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