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Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

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I've generally been happy with Mail.app in Mavericks until yesterday evening when I got a notification center pop-up for a new mail and accidentally clicked the delete option, instead of reply. The email completely and utterly disappeared from the client and the server (google apps imap), wasn't in any Trash or All Mail folder.

It was gone completely based off an errant click on a pop-up notification. Kind of scary.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#72
post #67

If you're sick of the mail program that comes with your OS, try Inky ( http://inky.com ). It's still in beta, but we just put out a refreshed version that fixes a lot of issues users reported throughout 2013. Lots of polishing work still remains, but we're happily dog-fooding it and have a loyal following around the world. (And yes, Linux guys, we're still planning to release a version for Ubuntu -- finally.) Inky is…

You might want to rethink this text on your website: "Most mail clients only support the popular email providers." That's false FUD.

:(

That's primarily a reaction to the dozens of mail startups that layer on top of GMail instead of supporting IMAP, POP, and SMTP etc. But obviously there's something on that page to offend anyone who tries hard enough to be offended.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#73
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. What real innovation has there been on Mac OS X since Bertrand Serlet left? Where are all the adult engineers? I've met a few people now who are contracted by Apple to work on their customer facing Apps. They commute to Cupertino from the Bay Area every day. Nice people but they're second tier. They never critique Apple, think Apple is the best at everything, and shrug their shoulders at any technology developed…

> Amongst people I know, Cupertino (which is in Santa Clara) is generally referred to as being in South Bay rather than the Bay Area. People you know are delusional. The "Bay Area" includes the peninsula, south bay, east bay, and north bay. Some people throw in Santa Cruz, which might be a bit extreme, but I've never talked to anyone who lived there for an appreciable time period and didn't include Silicon Valley (an…

As someone who lives in the land of trees and windows (and grew up in the land of the freeway) I count Santa Cruz as part of the Bay Area, there are enough commuters running up and down CA-17 to make it count.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#74
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. What real innovation has there been on Mac OS X since Bertrand Serlet left? Where are all the adult engineers? I've met a few people now who are contracted by Apple to work on their customer facing Apps. They commute to Cupertino from the Bay Area every day. Nice people but they're second tier. They never critique Apple, think Apple is the best at everything, and shrug their shoulders at any technology developed…

> Amongst people I know, Cupertino (which is in Santa Clara) is generally referred to as being in South Bay rather than the Bay Area. People you know are delusional. The "Bay Area" includes the peninsula, south bay, east bay, and north bay. Some people throw in Santa Cruz, which might be a bit extreme, but I've never talked to anyone who lived there for an appreciable time period and didn't include Silicon Valley (an…

I met a person in San Jose who told me they were from the city, and I asked "Oh nice, me too! Which part are you from?" He named some unheard of district, and I kept asking questions to try to pinpoint where it was, and I found out he was actually from Palo Alto. That's extreme.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#75

If you're sick of the mail program that comes with your OS, try Inky ( http://inky.com ). It's still in beta, but we just put out a refreshed version that fixes a lot of issues users reported throughout 2013. Lots of polishing work still remains, but we're happily dog-fooding it and have a loyal following around the world. (And yes, Linux guys, we're still planning to release a version for Ubuntu -- finally.) Inky is…

Do you consider yourself a good replacement for Windows Live Mail client (formerly known as outlook express)?

Yes, particularly now that outlook.com supports IMAP.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#76
post #4

sigh I really miss the good ol' days of e-mail, before all these Web 2.0 people hit the scene with their "let us scan your mail for other addresses" this and their "we'll keep a safe copy of your email as a backup, using IMAP" that .. Frankly, though, I blame MS Outlook. When it hit the scene, email became a thorny mess of standards, almost-standards, and not-standard at all .. and it seems the rest of the industry i…

I honestly have no clue what you're getting at with your first paragraph. Email hasn't changed very much in the last fifteen or more years, so I'm not sure what changes the "Web 2.0 people" made you're referring to, your examples are pretty odd ("scan other addresses" what?). Also keeping a backup of deleted messages for a period of time is standard industry practice and has been since before I or Linux were even bor…

It's also the worst, Widnows IMAP client I've found, period. I suspect it doesn't implement caching in an intelligent way. I long for a functional version of Evolution for Windows.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#77
post #54

Is there another mail client for OSX that also supports gmail and s/mime? After the disaster that is the Mavericks Mail.app, I've started using Thunderbird. It can't be the only option out there.

I've been using Sparrow since I got my MBP, and I haven't found any better solution yet.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#78
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've searched in vain for an alternative, open or closed, to Mail.app on any platform ever since Mozilla lost its mind and released Thunderbird 3. I can't find anything fast, simple, stable, and maintained. The next best option I've found is, of all things, Outlook (Mac or Windows), not that it's particularly desirable, either.

I've used claws in a pop environment; it beats the pants off of evolution as an e-mail client. I haven't tried its imap though. I stopped using thunderbird about 7 years ago when it deleted messages off of a Pop3 server before noticing that the disk with my mailbox on it was full, thus losing dozens of messages. People tell me it's better now, but I'm currently happy with claws. I've recently been trying trojita as m…

Evolution flies as a IMAP client. I loathe to use any client with POP.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#79
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. What real innovation has there been on Mac OS X since Bertrand Serlet left? Where are all the adult engineers? I've met a few people now who are contracted by Apple to work on their customer facing Apps. They commute to Cupertino from the Bay Area every day. Nice people but they're second tier. They never critique Apple, think Apple is the best at everything, and shrug their shoulders at any technology developed…

> Amongst people I know, Cupertino (which is in Santa Clara) is generally referred to as being in South Bay rather than the Bay Area. People you know are delusional. The "Bay Area" includes the peninsula, south bay, east bay, and north bay. Some people throw in Santa Cruz, which might be a bit extreme, but I've never talked to anyone who lived there for an appreciable time period and didn't include Silicon Valley (an…

People in San Francisco who are going on the commute on the 101 don't say "I'm going to the Bay Area today" - they say "I'm going to South Bay today".

People always orient around themselves. People living in Cupertino or Mountainview might say they live in the "Bay Area" but for people living further North in San Francisco or Oakland, they would consider themselves to be living in the "Bay Area" and folk further South to be living in the "South Bay".

This is just semantics.

Re: Mac OS 10.9 – Infinity times your spam

#80

Have you reproduced this problem yourselves? It sounds like you've seen it with exactly one user so far, whom you've not been able to contact. This strikes me as something that could just as easily be due to a pathological set of rules one user created.

Also lots of users, developers or not, have been using the betas recently.

I'm no mail server expert, but I don't understand OP's conclusion, that ALL Mail.app clients are faulty.

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