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Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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Post by r00fus » Wed, Oct 23, 2013, 7:25 PM UTC

dalore wrote: post #67

shin_lao wrote: post #50

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Why is it so strange to be proud of the blessings of good fortune? If you are born beautiful, can't you be proud of it? If you are part of an ancient and rich civilization, can't you be proud of it?

You can respect it and count your blessings but what are you proud for if you didn't contribute anything to it? Now if you are part of an ancient and rich civilization and you continue to further that civilization, that you can be proud of.

If one does enough regression in analysis, even your contributions and works can be traced to genes and environment you didn't exactly choose.

Why wouldn't personal beauty, health or intelligence be considered part of that civilization - and if I procreate, I am furthering it :)

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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Post by jlgreco » Wed, Oct 23, 2013, 7:38 PM UTC

moystard wrote: post #20

pingou wrote: post #15

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There's no such thing in France, maybe you're mistaken with some Nordic countries? Edit : I was talking about the traffic fines. Source : I'm French, which may explain my broken English.

School is free until high school in France, and university can be considered as free as well, because it is extremely cheap compared to the USA/Canada/UK for example, and because there is plenty of help to students with low resources.

> School is free until high school in France

Friendly fyi: "until" is generally exclusive in English. An similar word that is inclusive is "through". So "I'm on vacation until Monday" implies they will be in the office on Monday, but "I'm on vacation through Monday" implies they will be back Tuesday. I understood what you meant, but for a moment I thought you were saying that you had to pay for highschool in France.

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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Post by josteink » Thu, Oct 24, 2013, 8:02 AM UTC

Fuxy wrote: post #14

Hmm... it seems European law seems to fair a lot better then American law when it comes to attempted abuse by big companies. I don't know if it's just because the judges are more sane but well done. I think I respect the french slightly more now :)

It might also be because of less lobbying efforts targeting the EU.

The EU has had a few incidents where targeted lobbying efforts from the entertainment-industry almost has gone through unnoticed and uncontested.

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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Post by dalore » Thu, Oct 24, 2013, 10:57 AM UTC

r00fus wrote: post #81

dalore wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can respect it and count your blessings but what are you proud for if you didn't contribute anything to it? Now if you are part of an ancient and rich civilization and you continue to further that civilization, that you can be proud of.

If one does enough regression in analysis, even your contributions and works can be traced to genes and environment you didn't exactly choose. Why wouldn't personal beauty, health or intelligence be considered part of that civilization - and if I procreate, I am furthering it :)

Well procreating is an achievement in itself, so it is something you can be proud of.

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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Post by jefm » Thu, Oct 24, 2013, 12:32 PM UTC

bpizzi wrote: post #72

jefm wrote: post #58

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You didn't say that, as actually I'm not proud of anything related to nationality (it was a reference to the first post in the thread). What I meant is that in the particular case of the education system, the contribution system you mentioned allows socially deprived people to actually access the education system for free, as in beer.

So actually we're complementing each other: access to school is free for every one, but school isn't free for the citizen. My point was to say that "free school" should not be mentioned, instead we should speak of "school paid by taxed citizens for everyone" which is more accurate. Well, you've already understood: I'm french too ;)

Agreed :)

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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Post by fulafel » Fri, Oct 25, 2013, 5:00 AM UTC

byroot wrote: post #61

nraynaud wrote: post #53

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I guess that would be Code de la propriété intellectuelle - Article L122-6-1

Here's the law http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?cidTexte=... (Google Translate at your own risk) It's indeed pretty restrictive, some parts: > Les informations nécessaires à l'interopérabilité n'ont pas déjà été rendues facilement et rapidement accessibles aux personnes mentionnées au 1° ci-dessus > Informations required for interoperability, haven't been easily and quickly accessible. This one is p…

Could that be used to outlaw open source implementations? It's not strictly necessary after all...

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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Post by bifrost » Fri, Oct 25, 2013, 6:13 AM UTC

Gmo wrote: post #7

bifrost wrote: post #5

This makes me laugh, mostly because it will alienate the French govt from the US Govt, but also because its basically anti-IP.

You forgot the main reason : because it goes against your preconceived ideas about "The French".

I'm not sure I follow, the only preconceived ideas I have about the French relate to food and music. If the French want to tick off the USGovt, I have no quarrel.

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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Post by xorblurb » Sat, Nov 02, 2013, 12:58 AM UTC

nraynaud wrote: post #41

macmac wrote: post #35

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As far as I can tell the "French law" would be Article L122-6-1 of Code de la propriété intellectuelle which is dated 10 May 1994. The Eu Software Directive was first enacted in 1991. The text of the French law is almost verbatim the text of the directive.

It's even more explicit than the dates, the article was created by this law: "Loi n° 94-361 du 10 mai 1994 portant mise en oeuvre de la directive (C. E. E.) n° 91-250 du Conseil des communautés européennes en date du 14 mai 1991 concernant la protection juridique des programmes d'ordinateur et modifiant le code de la propriété intellectuelle" edit: link http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexteArticle.do;jsession...

Ok I did not know that, thanks !