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Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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Will you be proud of your children sometimes? Because they could have been born in any family in the world...

The question is whether your children should be proud of the accomplishments of their parents. Presumably, you have some responsibility for the accomplishments of your children.

Then couldn't a voter be proud of the accomplishments of the people that have been elected?

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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post #58
post #55

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Who said you should have not to be proud? Proudness apart, your school is still not "free, as in beer".

You didn't say that, as actually I'm not proud of anything related to nationality (it was a reference to the first post in the thread). What I meant is that in the particular case of the education system, the contribution system you mentioned allows socially deprived people to actually access the education system for free, as in beer.

So actually we're complementing each other: access to school is free for every one, but school isn't free for the citizen. My point was to say that "free school" should not be mentioned, instead we should speak of "school paid by taxed citizens for everyone" which is more accurate.

Well, you've already understood: I'm french too ;)

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

#73
post #68

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It's not pride of being born at a certain location (that's coincidence), It's pride to be part of a community (state, city, organization, ...) that makes good, rational decisions. Like how you can be proud if you live in a country with a sensible healthcare system or patent system, or proud to work at a company with good policies and a healty work environment.

Why should you be proud of being part of a community that makes good, rational decisions? That's also coincidence. (You should be happy and thankful, perhaps. But not proud, because, to any reasonable approximation, you have had nothing to do with it.)

By that logic, we can't hold people responsible for electing idiots.

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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post #13

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There are many reasons to be proud to be French, but since the French law is just an implementation of an EU directive this is hardly one of them.

Frankly, I never understood why anyone should be proud because they happen to be of a certain nationality.

If you have not heard of Kurt Vonnegut's term 'granfalloon', you may be interested in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granfalloon .

A granfalloon is a false karass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokononism .

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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post #68

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It's not pride of being born at a certain location (that's coincidence), It's pride to be part of a community (state, city, organization, ...) that makes good, rational decisions. Like how you can be proud if you live in a country with a sensible healthcare system or patent system, or proud to work at a company with good policies and a healty work environment.

Why should you be proud of being part of a community that makes good, rational decisions? That's also coincidence. (You should be happy and thankful, perhaps. But not proud, because, to any reasonable approximation, you have had nothing to do with it.)

Because hopefully you're part of this community by choice. I chose to move to Silicon Valley and be part of the community there precisely because I was dissatisfied with the communities I lived in prior to that; in effect, I vote with my time and taxes.

I agree that being proud of where you're born is silly; but being proud of where you chose to live is slightly different.

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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post #37

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A French company should now be able to offer a chat messenger which is interoperable with Skype for sale, potentially giving it to keep up with the cat and mouse game.

It will be easy for free software to offer such a solution, the problem is that commercial software probably can't promise much about how much or how long it will be interoperable. I'd be reluctant to pay for a commercial skype client that can break tomorrow.

Well aren't there a lot of licensed physical devices with a Skype client (I'm thinking actual phones)? A breaking change would require an update to the firmware on those devices, which seems non-trivial.

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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post #68

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It's not pride of being born at a certain location (that's coincidence), It's pride to be part of a community (state, city, organization, ...) that makes good, rational decisions. Like how you can be proud if you live in a country with a sensible healthcare system or patent system, or proud to work at a company with good policies and a healty work environment.

Why should you be proud of being part of a community that makes good, rational decisions? That's also coincidence. (You should be happy and thankful, perhaps. But not proud, because, to any reasonable approximation, you have had nothing to do with it.)

Hmm. But then, as an American, does that mean I shouldn't let the bad things my government does bother me except inasmuch as it affects myself?

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not pride of being born at a certain location (that's coincidence), It's pride to be part of a community (state, city, organization, ...) that makes good, rational decisions. Like how you can be proud if you live in a country with a sensible healthcare system or patent system, or proud to work at a company with good policies and a healty work environment.

Why should you be proud of being part of a community that makes good, rational decisions? That's also coincidence. (You should be happy and thankful, perhaps. But not proud, because, to any reasonable approximation, you have had nothing to do with it.)

The assumption of course being that it only applies to communities where you have some say in the matter, such as through democracy.

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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post #37

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A French company should now be able to offer a chat messenger which is interoperable with Skype for sale, potentially giving it to keep up with the cat and mouse game.

It will be easy for free software to offer such a solution, the problem is that commercial software probably can't promise much about how much or how long it will be interoperable. I'd be reluctant to pay for a commercial skype client that can break tomorrow.

In the case of Skype, your right: Skype can probably change their protocols and ruin the work of the reverse enginners. But this would have a price: Skype users would have to install the last version of the client to be able to communicate with their contacts. If Microsoft started to modify the Skype protocol each week, the users would probably get tired of updating their client weekly and they would use another software.

For others proprietary softwares, breaking the compatibility with old versions is hardly conceivable: If Photoshop or AutoCAD where suddenly unable to use read and write the terabytes of data created by their users, those users would probably throw their PC through the window and never buy again a proprietary software...

Re: French Court Allows Reverse Engineering of Skype Protocol

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post #16
post #13

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There are many reasons to be proud to be French, but since the French law is just an implementation of an EU directive this is hardly one of them.

Frankly, I never understood why anyone should be proud because they happen to be of a certain nationality.

You can be proud of anything or anyone who you can identify with or somehow are connected with, without any accomplishment on your part.

You can be proud of your kids because they belong to you. You can be proud of your family because you belong to it. You can be proud of your favorite sports team because you root for them.

BUT if you can be proud of it for its accomplishments, you also should be ashamed of it because of its errors.

Nationalists are people who love to claim the accomplishments of their country, but deny its errors.

EDIT: This is not to say that one has to mention all errors everytime one expresses pride.

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