Apple’s WWDC-Closing ‘Fuck You’ to iPhone Developers • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple’s WWDC-Closing ‘Fuck You’ to iPhone Developers

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Post by redcap » Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 6:29 AM UTC

jonknee wrote: post #58

kingsley_20 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other "basic" stuff not in the iphone: pedometer, dual bootability and quantum teleportation. OK, I'll give you MMS.

Multi-tasking and tethering have been standard smartphone features for a long time. I can personally remember those as far back as 2001.

To be totally honest, I had to look up what tethering meant today as I had no idea what the term meant.

Disclaimer: The closest I own to a smart phone is one of these email/phone/web devices they sell in Japan that has a pita interface to use.

Re: Apple’s WWDC-Closing ‘Fuck You’ to iPhone Developers

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Post by gommm » Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 6:31 AM UTC

zmimon wrote: post #63

jodrellblank wrote: post #8

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iPhone owners should be able to install whatever they want on the device they purchased. Why? It's such an entrenched idea, but you don't get to rewrite paragraphs of books, or scenes in films, or suits in a pack of playing cards or the firmware in your alarm clock. The iPhone is sold as is, why should we expect to use it any differently?

> The iPhone is sold as is, why should we expect to use it any differently? Wow. It's almost sickening to see the inversion of the principles of software freedom that Apple is able to get away with and not get criticized in the fanboi community. Geeks have been lambasting Microsoft for merely having proprietary formats for 20 years. They even got fined for billions of dollars just for not documenting their protocols…

I've always thought that the only difference between microsoft and apple on the point of view of behavior when keeping a monopoly is that apple hadn't been successful enough to actually be as aggressive as microsoft

Re: Apple’s WWDC-Closing ‘Fuck You’ to iPhone Developers

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Post by shimi » Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 6:50 AM UTC

If MS would have enforce such a strict policy on Windows, imagine how many stability and security issues would have been solved in an instance.

But this is just a pipe dream, there is no way MS would be let to get away with such practices, on the other hand Apple are well with in their right to do so.

Re: Apple’s WWDC-Closing ‘Fuck You’ to iPhone Developers

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Post by cubicle67 » Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 7:31 AM UTC

whatusername wrote: post #65

djehuty wrote: post #48

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I'm sure that's AT&T. I'm in Australia and there's been no such problem personally or from anything I've heard.

I've heard of a couple of complaints about low signal strength. (compared to other phones on the same network). (this was in Oz - think it may have been optus)

Possibly, but that's because Optus has a pretty sucky network for everyone. I understand (from reading whirlpool) that their new 3G network is not iPhone compatible as it's 900MHz

Re: Apple’s WWDC-Closing ‘Fuck You’ to iPhone Developers

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Post by cubicle67 » Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 7:35 AM UTC

jonknee wrote: post #58

kingsley_20 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other "basic" stuff not in the iphone: pedometer, dual bootability and quantum teleportation. OK, I'll give you MMS.

Multi-tasking and tethering have been standard smartphone features for a long time. I can personally remember those as far back as 2001.

True, but the iPhone is new whereas other phone oss' have been around for years. It takes time and manpower to code for these, and you have to start somewhere.

Re: Apple’s WWDC-Closing ‘Fuck You’ to iPhone Developers

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Post by cubicle67 » Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 7:37 AM UTC

shimi wrote: post #83

If MS would have enforce such a strict policy on Windows, imagine how many stability and security issues would have been solved in an instance. But this is just a pipe dream, there is no way MS would be let to get away with such practices, on the other hand Apple are well with in their right to do so.

> ... there is no way MS would be let to get away with such practices ...

You mean like the Zune or XBox?

Re: Apple’s WWDC-Closing ‘Fuck You’ to iPhone Developers

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 7:47 AM UTC

shimi wrote: post #83

If MS would have enforce such a strict policy on Windows, imagine how many stability and security issues would have been solved in an instance. But this is just a pipe dream, there is no way MS would be let to get away with such practices, on the other hand Apple are well with in their right to do so.

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Re: Apple’s WWDC-Closing ‘Fuck You’ to iPhone Developers

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Post by stanleydrew » Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 7:55 AM UTC

dca wrote: post #36

The iPhone is slick. Its got an amazing UI for a mobile device. The input is clever. Its very shiny. But having had one for about 2 years, 1 year of which it was only about 60% functional due to an "insensitive" touch screen, and having lived with the less than friendly support staff, I'm pretty confident in saying that's about as deep as it goes. Its very shiny. Its designed to look pretty in Walmart and in AT&T sto…

Android doesn't do it for you?

Re: Apple’s WWDC-Closing ‘Fuck You’ to iPhone Developers

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Post by darshan » Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 8:20 AM UTC

dca wrote: post #36

The iPhone is slick. Its got an amazing UI for a mobile device. The input is clever. Its very shiny. But having had one for about 2 years, 1 year of which it was only about 60% functional due to an "insensitive" touch screen, and having lived with the less than friendly support staff, I'm pretty confident in saying that's about as deep as it goes. Its very shiny. Its designed to look pretty in Walmart and in AT&T sto…

It would seem to me there's a huge opportunity here for someone else to come in and blow the doors off of them, in terms of developer friendliness, openness, support, price, etc... but in searching for a new phone I didn't see anyone clearly better.

Have you not heard of Android? Developer friendliness? Check. Openness? Check. Support? Check. Price? Check.

Google is spectacular in all of these regards. Android is open source, and Google is throwing serious weight into making things extremely easy for developers. It's not without its problems, but I give it an 'A' in every area you brought up.

Re: Apple’s WWDC-Closing ‘Fuck You’ to iPhone Developers

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Post by davidw » Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 8:23 AM UTC

danbmil99 wrote: post #52

Apple has always been a bunch of douchebags. In their own way, they are every bit as evil as Msoft was in their heyday. Power corrupts etc. What I can't understand is why there's this tendency to rub people's face in how successful and powerful you are (ie the session as described by OP). It speaks of an underlying insecurity. If you are the alpha dog and know it, you should not be afraid to face your underlings squa…

> they are every bit as evil as Msoft was in their heyday.

A significant portion of the reason why Microsoft dominated is because Apple wanted to control the hardware and the software. Microsoft was more than willing to settle for 'just' the software, running on top of a more or less open hardware platform. The Mac was better, earlier than Windows, and continued to be for a while. But outside of a brief window, you could only buy one from Apple - there was no vendor competition.