I don't care how many women are in tech. Likewise I don't care how many straight men are in fashion or Mexicans in the NBA.
There - I said it.
Devops needs feminism
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Re: Devops needs feminism
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am more infuriated by the idea that if women are underrepresented in technical fields, it must be the fault of the men in those technical fields. After all, if men would just treat women equally, then women would represent half the workforce in those fields, right? Women are underrepresented in applications to engineering school . Are adults who are already in the workforce responsible for that? Do high school girl…
> Do high school girls somehow sense the "hostile environment" in engineering schools before they spend a single day there? My wife, who has a solid head for mathematics but majored in German once explained to me why she didn't go into engineering: 1) because she didn't want to be surrounded by dudes all day; 2) because she didn't want to enter a field where she wouldn't have women bosses and mentors. So if you're a…
> My wife, who has a solid head for mathematics but majored in German once explained to me why she didn't go into engineering: 1) because she didn't want to be surrounded by dudes all day; 2) because she didn't want to enter a field where she wouldn't have women bosses and mentors.
Then her own prejudice is keeping her out of engineering. That’s not the fault of the men in that field, that's all on her.
Also, you say she has a "solid head for mathematics" but instead majored in German. Again, that was her choice and this may be why many women don't go into technical fields: they simply choose not to (regardless of their abilities).
Re: Devops needs feminism
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think anyone's saying men are to blame - this is a systematic problem. The important thing is not to blame someone, but to _fix it_. This post offers insight into the problem so people have a better shot at _fixing it_. So we can fight about who's evil or exactly what volume is ideal for talking about the problem, or we can Just. Fix. It.
I don't like doing this, but "systematic" when you mean "systemic" is one of my pet peeves. Systematic things are deliberate, if the bias is intentionally done then it could be systematic. In this case, it's not clear that anyone is trying to drive women from the field so it's systemic, a property of the system, or culture in this case. To discuss your comment, I didn't feel that the post brought any particular insig…
Three comma splices in two paragraphs? Good Lord.
Re: Devops needs feminism
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't like doing this, but "systematic" when you mean "systemic" is one of my pet peeves. Systematic things are deliberate, if the bias is intentionally done then it could be systematic. In this case, it's not clear that anyone is trying to drive women from the field so it's systemic, a property of the system, or culture in this case. To discuss your comment, I didn't feel that the post brought any particular insig…
Three comma splices in two paragraphs? Good Lord.
Two days ago I was very tired. My grammar (particularly written) goes to shit at that point. If you're trying to nitpick someone who was nitpicking, I anticpated that so I rarely make these sorts of comments. I've just noticed a trend of "systematic" being used for "systemic", even though they have very different meanings. It confuses the discussion when vocabulary is used incorrectly like this.
Re: Devops needs feminism
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think anyone's saying men are to blame - this is a systematic problem. The important thing is not to blame someone, but to _fix it_. This post offers insight into the problem so people have a better shot at _fixing it_. So we can fight about who's evil or exactly what volume is ideal for talking about the problem, or we can Just. Fix. It.
I don't like doing this, but "systematic" when you mean "systemic" is one of my pet peeves. Systematic things are deliberate, if the bias is intentionally done then it could be systematic. In this case, it's not clear that anyone is trying to drive women from the field so it's systemic, a property of the system, or culture in this case. To discuss your comment, I didn't feel that the post brought any particular insig…
You are absolutely right - thanks for pointing this out, I probably would have gone on making the same mistake for years otherwise.