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Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by simonster »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #135
simonster wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? I don't recall jumping through any hoops to post on Bugzilla or mozilla.dev.platform, and I definitely have no relationship with Mozilla.

Approved as in the posts need to be OK'd by a mod before being shown. And yes, they do censor heavily, try posting a well reasoned complaint about australis for instance and watch your mail not get approved.

If the posts have to be approved by mods, they're not doing a very good job:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.fir...

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform...

On another project I'm involved in, I've seen Google Groups decide that legitimate posts are spam. Not sure if that's what's happening here, but it's a possibility.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by zanny »

Daishiman wrote: post #116
Theriac25 wrote: post #112

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That's just beyond retarded. I weep when people have been conditioned by Canonical (and Microsoft) to accept this.

It's not all Canonical's faults. A highly customized install with a few extra libs here and there and some proprietary softare can easily wreck havoc on a system.

I had a continuous Arch install for 4 years without massive breakage through half a dozen major switches, including the fs layout and the systemd transition.

I just upgraded to an SSD and decided to clean slate rather than carry extra fs creep baggage that isn't linked to a package to remove, but I still have that partition around, and I'm pretty sure if I upgraded it it might still boot.

It is why I like rolling releases - rather than have catastrophic breakage every half year, you continuously migrate upwards. It means occasionally you need to pull up a web browser to see why your desktop is missing, but its better than doing a dist-upgrade and getting an unbootable system.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by dchichkov »

JSno wrote: post #147
csense wrote: post #124

The main feature I'm looking forward to is zswap in kernel 3.11 [1]. Basically instead of swapping, the kernel will first compress infrequently used pages in RAM, which is orders of magnitude faster than swapping to disk. The practical effect of this is basically the same as a free RAM upgrade! [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/537422/

For programmers or IT related people, you can easily compile kernel 3.12 with in 10 commands. and reboot.It will give you latest kernel. 1. install git. 2. get linux kernel from Linus tree. 3. google how to compile kernel and compile it. 4. restart. Note: ubuntu will elegantly handle GRUB2 for you. That means when you reboot, you are able to choose what kernel you want to use. Try this, and you won't need to wait for…

Not so fast. Desktop versions of new Ubuntu distros all require 3d support. And you can easily run into an obscure problem [1] that would have you reconfiguring graphics for a half a day and result in an unusable system, even if you'd try to go back to an old kernel.

[1] an example: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69928

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by fingerprinter »

nobleach wrote: post #77

Let me guess. Postgres 9.1, Ruby 1.9.1, PHP 5.3.11, a lot of extremely old packages... Please tell me if I'm wrong! I'm really tired of the software world moving forward and Ubuntu turning into Debian Woody.

There's reason RVM, virtualenv, nvm, pythonbrew etc etc exist. You should NEVER use the system packages for programming. It's a tale as old as time.

Now, the postgres issue is bit different, but Juju solves this problem flawlessly. Check this out: https://github.com/charms/postgresql

What I do these days is setup a VM (vagrant, maybe), depending on what I'm doing, setup RVM, NVM or virtualenv. Juju deploy locally the services I need (mongo, postgres, redis, memcache etc). Done and done.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by kolev »

asveikau wrote: post #132
kolev wrote: post #121

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Yes, same experience. Unfortunately, for the peace of mind, you should always rebuild - in-place upgrades for Desktop never work smoothly.

I guess I should stop using my Debian machines where I did an install in previous decades (decades, plural) and copied the setup from hard drive to hard drive across several physical machine rebuilds. Up to now I had no idea that this never works smoothly.

Debian != Ubuntu

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by zehemer »

lcedp wrote: post #125
eterm wrote: post #28

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As someone who doesn't use the dash, I am wondering what's in it for me. Personally I've tried a few distributions over the last year or so because I've been unhappy with unity but Ubuntu's ease of use still makes me return to it, although right now I'm typing this from a Debian box. I didn't like the dreadful* gnome3 speed so switched to i3. Now if I could just work out how to stop the lazy window focus... The troub…

What do you mean by 'lazy window focus'?

I'm guessing that it has to do with the focus behaviour of the mouse. If that's the case then it would be the 'focus_follows_mouse' variable. It is set thusly:

http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#_focus_follows_mouse

Then again I may be sadly, sadly mistaken.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by perturbation »

X4 wrote: post #101
nobleach wrote: post #77

Let me guess. Postgres 9.1, Ruby 1.9.1, PHP 5.3.11, a lot of extremely old packages... Please tell me if I'm wrong! I'm really tired of the software world moving forward and Ubuntu turning into Debian Woody.

You could try out Sabayon Linux, it is basically a Gentoo with an installer and binary package manager. equo (rigo/apper for a GUI). The good thing is that it's backwards compatible to Gentoo's source based package manager "emerge" and a very easy to use. What Linux/Unix distro you use is up to you though and I will not start a debate. I understand that it makes sense in the enterprise field to only use the most popu…

I used Sabayon for about 2-3 years on my laptop with no complaints. I mean, it broke a few times, but that was my own fault, and I was always able to 'unbreak' it using recovery images and usually due to proprietary modules (grrr ATI).

I finally stopped due to my laptop itself breaking; crunchbang is my new distro of choice for my desktop. Biggest upsides: fast(er) turnaround time on updating packages compared to Gentoo (not just build time, entropy >> portage as a package management system). Current packages packages with wide selection due to Gentoo as upstream. The one caveat is that mixing gentoo/sabayon with any amount of complexity is pretty involved.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by neilc »

yapcguy wrote: post #143
giovannibajo1 wrote: post #129

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Mavericks has the same feature, curious they're both shipping at the same time

I guess we'll never know if Apple engineers were "inspired" by Zram and Zswap Linux development. I don't think anything like this is available in Freebsd yet. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-performance/2012-...

There have been countless research papers on this topic, so I doubt it -- http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=dynamic+memory+com.... Not to mention the fact that RAM compression was quite common back in the DOS/Win95 days: http://oreilly.com/centers/windows/feat/softram/dblscan.html

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by asveikau »

kolev wrote: post #155
asveikau wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I should stop using my Debian machines where I did an install in previous decades (decades, plural) and copied the setup from hard drive to hard drive across several physical machine rebuilds. Up to now I had no idea that this never works smoothly.

Debian != Ubuntu

So?

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by bloopletech »

gw wrote: post #82

I upgraded my 13.04 system this morning and now it is unfortunately unusable. Any time I try to switch users, it consistently brings me to a black screen with a frozen mouse pointer that I cannot get out of, even when hitting Ctrl+Alt+F#. I'm downloading the iso now to try a fresh install.

Nvidia, AMD, or Intel? Proprietary or open source drivers?

I often have problems during upgrades using the proprietary drivers. The solution is usually: 1. Uninstall proprietary drivers. 2. Reboot, make sure the fallback mesa/vesa works (i.e. you can boot to graphical login). 3. Install proprietary drivers again. 4. Reboot, make sure the graphical login works, then run glxinfo | grep -i opengl, and make sure the renderer is GeForce or Radeon or whatever, NOT "Mesa".

Yes, it's stupid, and yes, we shouldn't have these problems in 2013, but the proprietary drivers tend to just have more compatibility issues.

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