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Re: America knows everything

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Post by w3dt »

ye wrote: post #122
nfoz wrote: post #87

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I don't care what nationality they are. If they're working as hard as I am, then they should get paid as much. That there are salary discrepancies between countries has a number of compounding factors, but often the U.S. has explicitly meddled in those countries in order to keep the "good jobs" to itself. Screw that.

> If they're working as hard as I am, then they should get paid as much Yeah, and everyone should get a free house and a puppy. Now back to the real world.

It's not like you get anything if you move to US. You have to work for everything yourself. You don't even get healthcare if you can't afford it. Stop being stupid.

Salaries should be paid by how you perform not by your nationality.

Re: America knows everything

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Post by shasta »

foxylad wrote: post #119
anigbrowl wrote: post #74

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This has nothing to do with the terrorists winning. The rather draconian immigration law was written in 1996. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_Immigration_Reform_and_...

It's not the law - it's the way somone who broke that law was treated like a suspected drug-dealer. Sure, technically they had the right to deport him. But doing so in this case was heavy handed, and adding strip-searches and refusing to let him contact his girlfriend was purely obnoxious. Although not directly linked to terrorism, this kind of behaviour is condoned now because the fear of immigrants generated by "te…

So this is how we should treat suspected drug dealers?

Re: America knows everything

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Post by smoyer »

How many of these do I have to read ... this is my government and I DEMAND more from it. (Of course right now they've closed every office that might accomplish something visible).

In the mean-time, I'd like to apologize to the citizens of earth for the horrible behavior of those performing in our security theater.

EDIT: My trips to Germany were very pleasant ... with the exception of having to take goods through customs (for expediency's sake), everyone was pleasant, courteous and relatively efficient.

Re: America knows everything

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Post by MichaelGG »

rhizome wrote: post #130
MichaelGG wrote: post #124

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Again, put yourself in the position of trying to ascertain if a person is coming to the US under false premises. You've determined they have. Now, at the border, under threat of deportation, you're going to say "OK, call this place and tell them no", and you're going to take that as an acceptable answer? That idea just doesn't work. Worse, it creates more incentives for people to try to come under a false premise, as…

as they can just backtrack at the border and still get in. And that is bad, why?

If you take as a given that the US wants to enforce their immigration laws, allowing people to attempt to break the law with a penalty of them saying "ok just kidding" doesn't make much sense.

It's like the liquids ban at airports. If you ARE caught with liquids, there's no penalty, you just throw them away. So it's not a disincentive to try to bring liquids aboard. Just keep trying until it works.

Re: America knows everything

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Post by scelerat »

pudquick wrote: post #24

While I agree that this person was probably treated very poorly, I also want to point out that they were traveling for work purposes. In the United States, non-US citizens entering the country for work purposes are generally required to get a visa. There are a few (and very few at that) business exceptions to this process, as listed here: http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html He stated that he w…

Playing some music and having appreciative people feed you and give you bus money simply shouldn't be the sort of thing a Work Visa regulates. This guy was a student traveling around the US, meeting people and writing about it. This is education, not work, and he had a student visa.

He just got a different education than he was expecting.

Re: America knows everything

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Post by philwelch »

jmduke wrote: post #139
philwelch wrote: post #128

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> I'm having trouble understanding what was so deplorable about this story besides the reprehensible treatment by the officials (which, again, seems exaggerated)? "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

Right, but Abraham Lincoln did nothing wrong by going to the play and the author did something wrong (I don't mean in a moral sense, but in a sense of 'incorrect') by going to the United States without the proper visa.

Well that's a tortured analogy if I've ever seen one.

Re: America knows everything

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Post by scelerat »

unreal37 wrote: post #29

To play devil's advocate, he traveled to the U.S. with a guitar, had 5 shows booked in advance before his arrival, uses a pseudonym to perform and didn't declare any of this to the border officials. I think the article can also say he has a CD coming out soon. I can actually see why he was turned away. He's a musician, hoping to travel and do some shows in the U.S. for fun. You can't work in the U.S. without a work v…

> And performing for free is still work.

Care to explain how?

Re: America knows everything

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Post by [deleted] »

a8da6b0c91d wrote: post #109
podperson wrote: post #107

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This seems to me like borderline racist generalization. I'm sure there are plenty of people getting away with vehicular homicide one way or another, and to single out a case (or several) where the perpetrator happens to be an illegal immigrant is missing the point. The US treats people suspected of being illegal immigrants pretty badly. Heck, I'm a US Citizen, born in California, but raised in Australia. When I moved…

Oh boo hoo. I went to Japan for extended periods a few times and they made me get a complicated visa, questioned me on entry, and made me register with the police as well as carry an alien registration card. Fucking good for them. It's their country and their right to control who's in it.

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Re: America knows everything

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Post by halostatue »

a8da6b0c91d wrote: post #109
podperson wrote: post #107

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This seems to me like borderline racist generalization. I'm sure there are plenty of people getting away with vehicular homicide one way or another, and to single out a case (or several) where the perpetrator happens to be an illegal immigrant is missing the point. The US treats people suspected of being illegal immigrants pretty badly. Heck, I'm a US Citizen, born in California, but raised in Australia. When I moved…

Oh boo hoo. I went to Japan for extended periods a few times and they made me get a complicated visa, questioned me on entry, and made me register with the police as well as carry an alien registration card. Fucking good for them. It's their country and their right to control who's in it.

Except that the person you're responding to was a non-resident U.S. citizen with valid passport and was still forced to wait by explicitly racist, undemocratic, and likely unconstitutional policies.

Re: America knows everything

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Post by droithomme »

a8da6b0c91d wrote: post #102
pudquick wrote: post #24

While I agree that this person was probably treated very poorly, I also want to point out that they were traveling for work purposes. In the United States, non-US citizens entering the country for work purposes are generally required to get a visa. There are a few (and very few at that) business exceptions to this process, as listed here: http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html He stated that he w…

I agree this guy screwed up. But the fact that you can't go three hours without seeing an obvious illegal alien in the US makes this whole thing hilarious. It's the Anarcho-Tyranny thing Sam Francis wrote about. Be a middle class, law abiding euro with some undotted i's and get instantly deported. Hop the southern border as an illiterate with criminal convictions and it's "no problemo" as an apparent matter of nation…

> "without seeing an obvious illegal alien"

Interesting claim. Can you describe them? Do they look like brown skinned native americans?

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