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You realize how high US salaries are? As a developer I can't get even half of what I'm making there, unless it's some ridiculously expensive country like Switzerland. If US were to open its borders for anybody who wants to work, it would collapse your labor market instantly. And it won't be the poor mexicans looking for low level jobs. It will be Indians, Chinese, Russians moving in millions to get a piece of that pi…

I don't care what nationality they are. If they're working as hard as I am, then they should get paid as much. That there are salary discrepancies between countries has a number of compounding factors, but often the U.S. has explicitly meddled in those countries in order to keep the "good jobs" to itself. Screw that.

> If they're working as hard as I am, then they should get paid as much

Yeah, and everyone should get a free house and a puppy.

Now back to the real world.

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I'm just a bit confused: How are an expectant Chinese mother and a Mexican migrant worker examples of the elite?

They are not the elite, they cater to the elite and special interests goals. China has 60 per cent of its $3.5tn foreign currency reserves invested in US assets. A housing program that offers green cards to foreigners who buy $500,000+ houses. How about the money going to US universities from 194,000 Chinese students. The $8.2 billion Chinese buyers spent in the 12 months to March 2013 of $70 billion on real estate.…

So you think that the elite in the US _want_ more competition from rich Chinese people in the US real estate market? Pretty sure they'd rather have that to themselves.

The connection between Chinese currency reserves and pregnant women giving birth in the US is... what, exactly? You think that the people buying those reserves (Central Committee / PSC) like the idea of their citizens holding dual US-Chinese citizenship? Riiiight.

And if this US elite were so hot on immigration (and influential), the US immigration system wouldn't be so insanely restrictive.

US policy is dictated by the lowest common denominator.

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While I agree that this person was probably treated very poorly, I also want to point out that they were traveling for work purposes. In the United States, non-US citizens entering the country for work purposes are generally required to get a visa. There are a few (and very few at that) business exceptions to this process, as listed here: http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html He stated that he w…

Couldn't they have just given him the option of canceling his shows? I'm sure he would rather have done that than be forced to leave the country.

Again, put yourself in the position of trying to ascertain if a person is coming to the US under false premises. You've determined they have. Now, at the border, under threat of deportation, you're going to say "OK, call this place and tell them no", and you're going to take that as an acceptable answer?

That idea just doesn't work. Worse, it creates more incentives for people to try to come under a false premise, as they can just backtrack at the border and still get in.

This case sounds mishandled, for sure.

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Strictly speaking, isn't getting tips and food being paid? After all, don't food service workers get paid in tips?

You could always try paying your taxes in cannoli to see if food qualifies as payment.

Barter is taxable.

http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc420.html

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Well, I'm not going to get derailed by the not important conversation that you seem to want to start regarding appropriate work visa policies. Whatever that policy is, it CANNOT include the kind of stupidity described in this persons post. No more intimidation, no more molestation, no more angry, invasive, demeaning, bullying, just plain awful treatment of anyone like this, ever again, for any reason. Frankly we need…

Just so we're clear, you're against strip searching anyone for anything, ever? So, if someone was smuggling in rare species or ivory or other contraband, the CBP should do what exactly?

Look, if one diversionary tactic doesn't work, that the TSA was just trying to make sure the IRS got its due (or whatever), that doesn't mean you move to another one in the form of a strawman, extrapolating to the most extreme case you can think of.

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I agree this guy screwed up. But the fact that you can't go three hours without seeing an obvious illegal alien in the US makes this whole thing hilarious. It's the Anarcho-Tyranny thing Sam Francis wrote about. Be a middle class, law abiding euro with some undotted i's and get instantly deported. Hop the southern border as an illiterate with criminal convictions and it's "no problemo" as an apparent matter of nation…

I can't recall the last time I saw an "obvious illegal alien". What makes them "obvious"?

It depends: what color is their skin?

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America's border control system is so broken that it saddens me to see posts like this that reek of sensationalism (I mean, it's Vice ) and hide the fact that, you know, he didn't have a valid visa. I'm having trouble understanding what was so deplorable about this story besides the reprehensible treatment by the officials (which, again, seems exaggerated)? Am I misreading the story or is refusal to enter the country…

> I'm having trouble understanding what was so deplorable about this story besides the reprehensible treatment by the officials (which, again, seems exaggerated)?

"Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

Re: America knows everything

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I agree this guy screwed up. But the fact that you can't go three hours without seeing an obvious illegal alien in the US makes this whole thing hilarious. It's the Anarcho-Tyranny thing Sam Francis wrote about. Be a middle class, law abiding euro with some undotted i's and get instantly deported. Hop the southern border as an illiterate with criminal convictions and it's "no problemo" as an apparent matter of nation…

This seems to me like borderline racist generalization. I'm sure there are plenty of people getting away with vehicular homicide one way or another, and to single out a case (or several) where the perpetrator happens to be an illegal immigrant is missing the point. The US treats people suspected of being illegal immigrants pretty badly. Heck, I'm a US Citizen, born in California, but raised in Australia. When I moved…

Borderline?

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Couldn't they have just given him the option of canceling his shows? I'm sure he would rather have done that than be forced to leave the country.

Again, put yourself in the position of trying to ascertain if a person is coming to the US under false premises. You've determined they have. Now, at the border, under threat of deportation, you're going to say "OK, call this place and tell them no", and you're going to take that as an acceptable answer? That idea just doesn't work. Worse, it creates more incentives for people to try to come under a false premise, as…

as they can just backtrack at the border and still get in.

And that is bad, why?

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