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Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by thrownaway2424 »

fidotron wrote: post #150
thrownaway2424 wrote: post #134

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Huh? It's a web browser. Anyone can "host their own server backends" to whatever extent they desire.

Not quite - they're very dependent on your Google account, which is the login. You can't run servers on the devices themselves, without something like crouton. They also miss features like Bonjour interoperability to make local service discovery just painful enough to force you into the cloud. The result of this is when you are away from the Internet, which happens way more often than a lot of people seem to believe,…

I guess that's true. It would be neat if they had pluggable identity providers. On the other hand I don't want to run my own. I prefer Google's.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by dman »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #239
dman wrote: post #238

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Lets give up our freedoms to install programs, modify operating systems, write native code, use a programming language of choice, freely deploy native apps to users to get the freedom to consume media inside a browser sandbox.

You can do all that with Chrome OS. It's called developer mode... Advancing the web still makes sense.

Does developer mode come with a c/c++ compiler ? can you change the boot loader ? how about install a new shell ? replace the browser ? lets say you come up with a cool hack while in developer mode do you have to convince your friends to run in developer mode too ?

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by Mikeb85 »

dman wrote: post #242
Mikeb85 wrote: post #239

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You can do all that with Chrome OS. It's called developer mode... Advancing the web still makes sense.

Does developer mode come with a c/c++ compiler ? can you change the boot loader ? how about install a new shell ? replace the browser ? lets say you come up with a cool hack while in developer mode do you have to convince your friends to run in developer mode too ?

Chrome OS uses Gentoo's Portage package manager. So to install say, emacs, you simply do # emerge emacs, or whatever you want to install.

Anyhow, there's also plenty of online instructions on how to use Crouton to install Ubuntu onto Chrome OS, the point is that Chrome OS is a full, real Linux distro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v031udlfY5E

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by pjmlp »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #237
pjmlp wrote: post #203

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> This is good for free software and good for the web. What free software? Locked down behind SaaS walls.

While most of Google's services (and most SaaS providers) are closed, the web does enable freedom, and is still generally more open than the proprietary binary blobs people install onto their computers. Chromium is open source, Firefox is open source, and as long as the web itself is being advanced, we are more 'free', not locked into MS Windows, OSX, or even Linux or BSD.

On my dictionary, giving up my rights to use an hypertext document system is not freedom.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by pjmlp »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #243
dman wrote: post #242

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Does developer mode come with a c/c++ compiler ? can you change the boot loader ? how about install a new shell ? replace the browser ? lets say you come up with a cool hack while in developer mode do you have to convince your friends to run in developer mode too ?

Chrome OS uses Gentoo's Portage package manager. So to install say, emacs, you simply do # emerge emacs, or whatever you want to install. Anyhow, there's also plenty of online instructions on how to use Crouton to install Ubuntu onto Chrome OS, the point is that Chrome OS is a full, real Linux distro. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v031udlfY5E

Those are hacks and not fully endorsed by Google.

Besides what is the point to pay $279 for a web browser?

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by kayoone »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #234
netcan wrote: post #132

I'm so frustrated by these chromebooks. On one hand, the form factor and aesthetics are great. The price/power engineering is great. The mission/concept is fantastic. On the other hand, we've learned something from Android/IOS. We need apps and they do not necessarily lead to a computer that cannot be managed by a below average user. Even the average 'your mother' has some needs that aren't well met by this machine.…

I think you missed the point... First of all, Google Hangouts replaces Skype, WebRTC eventually will too, and Google Docs or MS Office 365 are both perfectly good Office suites. Second, the idea is simplicity. Anyone can maintain an up to date Chrome OS system. Anyone's grandmother could have an up to date, virus-free Chrome OS laptop. Native apps? Chrome has Native Client. It's up to developers to make use of it. No…

Google Hangouts is nice, but most/all of my clients use Skype and cant be bothered to switch. So while in theory not a big deal, in practice it kind of is. Even running Skype in a Linux enviroment is kind of a pain im afraid.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by kayoone »

evandena wrote: post #209
jakebellacera wrote: post #187

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I personally couldn't bring myself to switch to a Chromebook. My personal time on the computer constitutes ~25% coding and ~75% in the browser. If I did not code, ever, then I would probably invest in a Chromebook. Since I do, I'd prefer to have a Macbook Air or a similar machine. My girlfriend, on the other hand, spends all of her time in the browser. All she does on the computer is write her papers, surfs the web a…

I have zero problems remotely coding. Nothing beats a good Vim environment.

Not everyone is a webdev though. Try todo some C#, Java development (that basically require a decent IDE) or anything graphics related (games) via a remote connection and you will see its justs not there yet.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by kayoone »

Touche wrote: post #152
ScrumMistress wrote: post #145

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Top of Amazon doesn't really mean much. http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/04/12/nokia-lumia-900-do... Here's some analysis based on browsing data usage which shows sales were worse than Windows RT. http://www.zdnet.com/first-real-world-usage-figures-suggest-... If Chromebooks sales are good , why don't they release real official numbers?

True, but that Chromebook has been at or near the top since it was released almost a year ago. Also Acer has already said 10% of their shipments are Chromebooks. > If Chromebooks sales are good , why don't they release real official numbers? Who is "they"? Chromebooks are released by several manufacturers, some of which have released numbers. And if Chromebook sales are bad why do more of them keep coming out, with m…

Well google doesnt hesitate to brag with worldwide Android Activations and marketshare so why should it be different for ChromeOS?

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by Mikeb85 »

pjmlp wrote: post #245
Mikeb85 wrote: post #243

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Chrome OS uses Gentoo's Portage package manager. So to install say, emacs, you simply do # emerge emacs, or whatever you want to install. Anyhow, there's also plenty of online instructions on how to use Crouton to install Ubuntu onto Chrome OS, the point is that Chrome OS is a full, real Linux distro. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v031udlfY5E

Those are hacks and not fully endorsed by Google. Besides what is the point to pay $279 for a web browser?

If they aren't endorsed by Google, why did Google add developer mode and Portage? They could have locked it down like Windows RT

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by davidgerard »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #240
davidgerard wrote: post #228

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Serious spreadsheet users - the sort who run overnight calculations. For that job, Excel is simply the best there is. These people then make damn sure everyone else has MS Office too. LibreOffice Calc sucks, but LO know it, and Kohei Yoshida is working very hard to make it not suck. LO 4.2 will be much faster. Then they just need to recreate VBA ...

Gnumeric is better...

Than LO? I'm sure there's stuff it does faster. Does it do Excel sheets more compatibly?

Or do you mean better than Excel? If it's better than Excel at the sort of sheet I mean, that's important news for the people who run such sheets - they'd be moving to Linux yesterday.

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