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Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by Ein2015 »

InTheSwiss wrote: post #185
itsameta4 wrote: post #146

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>at $500 or less You might be interested in our 2016 models.

Ok I am pushing it a bit with the 128GB SSD but if you stick a standard HDD in there they should be able to keep it at £500 or less quite easily. There are similar spec machines in the 15" range from Acer and others for that sort of price it would just mean scaling down to 13" :)

Buy this and then apply http://blog.zfeldman.com/2013-10-05-setting-up-a-chromebook-... and/or http://afaqdar.blogspot.com/2013/10/5-different-chromebook-d... to solve your needs?

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by jkn »

phaus wrote: post #130
mrbill wrote: post #98

Ordered. I absolutely love my ARM-based Chromebook, and have wished for the same specs with a bit better construction and build quality. This is absolutely perfect for my needs, and the keyboard looks to be marginally better as well. I've hardly touched my MB Air (2012 refurb) since I got the Chromebook. Small and light enough to throw in any bag/backpack without care, cheap enough to not worry about theft. I don't m…

I can understand buying a Chromebook instead of a Macbook Air, but I see lots of people saying that they have both yet still prefer the Chromebook. What is it that makes a Chromebook so much better than a Macbook that has vastly superior construction, better battery life, and significantly more power? The Macbook air is small enough to take anywhere, and let me assure you, people will steal anything. Didn't Stallman'…

It's a good question and frankly I was quite surprised to realize, after using my chromebook for a while, that I was subconsciously turning to the chromebook rather than the macbook for browsing because the experience is just better. If you are looking for the least clunky way to browse the Web, it's not the Apple product (that was the surprise). Chrome OS boots faster and feels much lighter without all the icons and menus that you find in a regular OS.

The ARM chromebook also feels nicer because it has no fan. This simple detail makes it feel less like a computer and more like a tablet.

The most astonishing is that these two points give the ARM chromebook the edge over the macbook even despite its very poor screen.

That being said, I do occasionally turn to the macbook for in-browser work, when the low power of the ARM chromebook is too palpable.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by InTheSwiss »

Ein2015 wrote: post #231
InTheSwiss wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok I am pushing it a bit with the 128GB SSD but if you stick a standard HDD in there they should be able to keep it at £500 or less quite easily. There are similar spec machines in the 15" range from Acer and others for that sort of price it would just mean scaling down to 13" :)

Buy this and then apply http://blog.zfeldman.com/2013-10-05-setting-up-a-chromebook-... and/or http://afaqdar.blogspot.com/2013/10/5-different-chromebook-d... to solve your needs?

Bookmarked to read later. Thanks!

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by Mikeb85 »

netcan wrote: post #132

I'm so frustrated by these chromebooks. On one hand, the form factor and aesthetics are great. The price/power engineering is great. The mission/concept is fantastic. On the other hand, we've learned something from Android/IOS. We need apps and they do not necessarily lead to a computer that cannot be managed by a below average user. Even the average 'your mother' has some needs that aren't well met by this machine.…

I think you missed the point...

First of all, Google Hangouts replaces Skype, WebRTC eventually will too, and Google Docs or MS Office 365 are both perfectly good Office suites.

Second, the idea is simplicity. Anyone can maintain an up to date Chrome OS system. Anyone's grandmother could have an up to date, virus-free Chrome OS laptop.

Native apps? Chrome has Native Client. It's up to developers to make use of it. Not to mention technologies like Emscripten - again, up to developers. Anyone, what's out there on the web already is enough for most people.

If it's not enough, you can turn on developer mode, and run regular Linux apps (install with Portage), or install Ubuntu with Crouton.

Anyhow, Chrome OS solves 80% of use cases out of the box, and the rest with a little effort.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by ceras »

samspenc wrote: post #133
curiousDog wrote: post #117

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Just curious, what are your use cases with it? I've been considering one as a cheap Linux dev box but it seems like installing a second OS is a pain and that there's little to no HD space left after doing so. I've been eyeing a Sony laptop that costs ~$370 bit it is quite bulky.

This. As much as I like Google, I've griped before that the Chromebook is a tempting but raw deal for a power user. [1] You get a pretty locked down laptop that you have to boot into developer mode to do anything useful (which adds an additional 5-second boot time) [2] I'm a happy camper at setting up dual-boot systems with Windows laptops, but crouton sounds like a pain to me. [3] Limited disk space: I would think w…

> IMHO, the Chromebook is actually a great laptop for the older generation and people who use web-based products all the time

I think a lot of us in the younger generation do this too, including the more tech savvy. I'm a software engineer in my 20s and my Chromebook is just fine for me 95% of the time. Sometimes I wish it had a little more RAM for when I get lazy about closing tabs, but that's about it: it's rare that I care about desktop apps.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by Mikeb85 »

guizzy wrote: post #165
netcan wrote: post #132

I'm so frustrated by these chromebooks. On one hand, the form factor and aesthetics are great. The price/power engineering is great. The mission/concept is fantastic. On the other hand, we've learned something from Android/IOS. We need apps and they do not necessarily lead to a computer that cannot be managed by a below average user. Even the average 'your mother' has some needs that aren't well met by this machine.…

Google has come very far making webapps more and more like desktop applications. http://www.google.com/intl/fr/chrome/webstore/apps-gtd.html

Big up for this. I use Google Keep all the time, a desktop version is awesome :-)

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by Mikeb85 »

pjmlp wrote: post #203
alrs wrote: post #43

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Google isn't a shining beacon of hope, but I do delight in seeing hurt put on closed ecosystems. The Apple app store is a flat-out threat to human freedom. I do not want to live in a world where the only software available is the software approved by Apple and the governments that have jurisdiction over it. edit: Note that I take no warmth in it being Google. Yes, they are closed. The good news is that HP just offere…

> This is good for free software and good for the web. What free software? Locked down behind SaaS walls.

While most of Google's services (and most SaaS providers) are closed, the web does enable freedom, and is still generally more open than the proprietary binary blobs people install onto their computers. Chromium is open source, Firefox is open source, and as long as the web itself is being advanced, we are more 'free', not locked into MS Windows, OSX, or even Linux or BSD.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by dman »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #237
pjmlp wrote: post #203

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> This is good for free software and good for the web. What free software? Locked down behind SaaS walls.

While most of Google's services (and most SaaS providers) are closed, the web does enable freedom, and is still generally more open than the proprietary binary blobs people install onto their computers. Chromium is open source, Firefox is open source, and as long as the web itself is being advanced, we are more 'free', not locked into MS Windows, OSX, or even Linux or BSD.

Lets give up our freedoms to install programs, modify operating systems, write native code, use a programming language of choice, freely deploy native apps to users to get the freedom to consume media inside a browser sandbox.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by Mikeb85 »

dman wrote: post #238
Mikeb85 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While most of Google's services (and most SaaS providers) are closed, the web does enable freedom, and is still generally more open than the proprietary binary blobs people install onto their computers. Chromium is open source, Firefox is open source, and as long as the web itself is being advanced, we are more 'free', not locked into MS Windows, OSX, or even Linux or BSD.

Lets give up our freedoms to install programs, modify operating systems, write native code, use a programming language of choice, freely deploy native apps to users to get the freedom to consume media inside a browser sandbox.

You can do all that with Chrome OS. It's called developer mode...

Advancing the web still makes sense.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by Mikeb85 »

davidgerard wrote: post #228
eddiedunn wrote: post #212

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A number? What are these exactly? I keep hearing people say this, but I can't think of any reasons where I would really need MS Office. I haven't used Word since Word 97, and I have never come across a use case that Open/LibreOffice, Google docs or Latex couldn't solve for me. I would imagine that the same would apply for most people. On the other hand, I remember collaborating on many reports using Google docs becau…

Serious spreadsheet users - the sort who run overnight calculations. For that job, Excel is simply the best there is. These people then make damn sure everyone else has MS Office too. LibreOffice Calc sucks, but LO know it, and Kohei Yoshida is working very hard to make it not suck. LO 4.2 will be much faster. Then they just need to recreate VBA ...

Gnumeric is better...
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