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HP Chromebook 11
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#222can you do developement without pain on those?
You will cause no pain to Google by developing on these.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
A number? What are these exactly? I keep hearing people say this, but I can't think of any reasons where I would really need MS Office. I haven't used Word since Word 97, and I have never come across a use case that Open/LibreOffice, Google docs or Latex couldn't solve for me. I would imagine that the same would apply for most people. On the other hand, I remember collaborating on many reports using Google docs becau…
Technical document preparation. When you're dealing with stuff like tables, graphs, footnotes, appendices... Word makes it easier. I know there's probably a way to reproduce everything in Google Docs, but it's not as easy/automatic.
Heh. I remember the problems I had with moving around graphs, tables and pictures in MS Word. Man that sucked.
Doing references and placing images in Latex, on the other hand, was a breeze once I got a hang of its programmatic behavior.
Maybe it's better in Word now though. As I said, it's been a while since I seriously used it.
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>I want to be the customer, not the product being sold Sorry but this is not either or anymore. They will take your money and you will still be a product being sold. Just because you paid money doesn't mean they won't try to squeeze an extra penny off of your information if they can get away with it.
Witness: iAds.
For real: when is the last time you saw an iAd?
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#225Took me awhile for find - but full specs: Full specs Screen * 11.6" display with 16:9 aspect ratio (IPS Panel) * 1366 x 768 * 60% Color Gamut * 300 nit screen * Wide viewing angle (176 degree) Inputs * Chrome keyboard * Fine-tuned, clickable touchpad * VGA Webcam Ports * 2 x USB 2.0 * Micro-SIM slot (3G and 4G/LTE model only) * Micro USB for 15.75W charging and SlimPort video out Industrial design * Magnesium chassis…
Exynos 5250 GAIA Application Processor Isn't this the same dual-core ARM Cortex-A15 that was in Samsung's Chromebook last year?
To be fair, the 5250 is perfectly adequate in last year's Chromebook, and since this model has the same sized screen, it should be totally sufficient. It has pretty good battery life, and charges quite quickly.
Unless the 5420 has better battery life characteristics, I'm not sure if it's actually a better processor for the Chromebook.
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
Skype has a competitor called Google Hangouts that works just fine in the browser. Word has a competitor called Google Docs that works just fine in the browser. Desktop-only apps need to adapt or get left behind.
There are a great number of non-trivial use cases for which Google Docs is inferior compared to Word.
I agree, but it doesn't make Chromebooks useless. Your average user just wants to be able to type and set a few basic formatting options in a WYSIWYG editor, which Google Docs easily provides.
Chromebooks are fine "Mom Machines" most of the time, or fine laptops to stash in your car in case of unanticipated need.
My opinion is that people need to stop attempting to conflate the market of true casuals, served by phones on the low end, tablets on the middle end, and netbooks like the Chromebook on the high end, with the market of serious users needing real desktop operating systems and applications, using laptops on the low end and high-powered desktops on the high end.
They are separate use cases, and we're best served if each segment focuses on itself instead of trying to be all things to all people. Manufacturers seem scared that if they don't provide it all, they'll be obsoleted, but I believe it's just the opposite; there's enough overlap in these markets to share (for instance, I have a smartphone, a tablet, a Chromebook, a real laptop, and multiple big huge desktops; certainly atypical, but normal people are fairly likely to have a smartphone, tablet or Chromebook, and a real laptop, and that's not going to change anytime soon). The paranoia is wasting a lot of our time.
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#227Wow, it uses a micro USB charger.
That is awesome (though may make charging slow). I hate carrying multiple different chargers around.
You're assuming someone has micro-USB devices and a charger already. If you have an iPhone/iPad you might not.
If Apple ever comes out with a MacBook Air powered by ARM they better use the Lightning connector.
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are a great number of non-trivial use cases for which Google Docs is inferior compared to Word.
A number? What are these exactly? I keep hearing people say this, but I can't think of any reasons where I would really need MS Office. I haven't used Word since Word 97, and I have never come across a use case that Open/LibreOffice, Google docs or Latex couldn't solve for me. I would imagine that the same would apply for most people. On the other hand, I remember collaborating on many reports using Google docs becau…
Serious spreadsheet users - the sort who run overnight calculations. For that job, Excel is simply the best there is. These people then make damn sure everyone else has MS Office too.
LibreOffice Calc sucks, but LO know it, and Kohei Yoshida is working very hard to make it not suck. LO 4.2 will be much faster. Then they just need to recreate VBA ...
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#229I'm so frustrated by these chromebooks. On one hand, the form factor and aesthetics are great. The price/power engineering is great. The mission/concept is fantastic. On the other hand, we've learned something from Android/IOS. We need apps and they do not necessarily lead to a computer that cannot be managed by a below average user. Even the average 'your mother' has some needs that aren't well met by this machine.…
Google has come very far making webapps more and more like desktop applications. http://www.google.com/intl/fr/chrome/webstore/apps-gtd.html
They've come far. They've done a great job. I don't think they've replaced the desktop though. I don't think the average user can go chrome only yet.
At some point an estate agent will send them a word doc and ask them to fill in some details and email it back. You and I can figure out how to get this going in google docs but the intended audience might have trouble. Google docs will encourage them to save it to the cloud and share instead of attaching which will confuse the estate agent. That doesn't mean Google's way is wrong, but in this scenario it does mean its harder and defeats the whole purpose.
Same problem with skype. If your friends/kids use skype, you will not be happy with a computer that can't do skype.
Basically, chrome needs to be compatible with the PC world and the way people are used to doing things. Compromise.
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Just curious, what are your use cases with it? I've been considering one as a cheap Linux dev box but it seems like installing a second OS is a pain and that there's little to no HD space left after doing so. I've been eyeing a Sony laptop that costs ~$370 bit it is quite bulky.
This. As much as I like Google, I've griped before that the Chromebook is a tempting but raw deal for a power user. [1] You get a pretty locked down laptop that you have to boot into developer mode to do anything useful (which adds an additional 5-second boot time) [2] I'm a happy camper at setting up dual-boot systems with Windows laptops, but crouton sounds like a pain to me. [3] Limited disk space: I would think w…
Chromebooks are convenient if you fall on the lightweight side of the "power user" spectrum. With the help of Crouton, a chrooted "traditional" Linux environment is easy to set up. If all you need is Emacs, your command line utilities, and 10 gb of disk space for active development, then you would be surprised at how capable chromebooks are as lightweight development machines.