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Swiss to vote on 2,500 franc basic income for every adult

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Re: Swiss to vote on 2,500 franc basic income for every adult

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Meanwhile, in America, the government is shut down to try to stop poor people from receiving subsidies on their private health insurance.

This is not an appropriate venue for chanting political slogans.

I stated a 100% true fact that is a direct comparison to the article in question. It's sad people would try to silence facts by dismissing them as 'political slogans'

Re: Swiss to vote on 2,500 franc basic income for every adult

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Yes we Swiss have this weird habit of voting against things that look like they would be a benefit for us (in the short term). I voted against more paid holidays as I think 4 weeks (minimum) is enough and forcing everyone to raise it to 5 would hurt the economy. Similarly I'd vote against this proposed bill if I still lived in Switzerland as I don't see how it could work, despite it being generally an intriguing idea…

Now I'm curious about the possibility of immigrating to Switzerland... Ha. Sort of seriously.

Get a job there first, it's not hard to get a sponsored working visa and Swiss has a high amount of foreign workers. Work there for 10 years then have the canton vote for your citizenship, if it's a big canton it might just be a committee; they'll inspect your house to make sure you are Swiss enough. You should master one Swiss language quickly (whatever canton you are in), and should probably brush up on another.

Edit: it might not be the canton that votes for you, but the commune. I get these confused all the time.

Re: Swiss to vote on 2,500 franc basic income for every adult

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Every adult gets 2500/month, so a family of 2 adults + 3 children would get 5000/month which is nowhere near enough in most places in Switzerland.

I was thinking of a family with five adults. No reason for the children to leave such a profitable nest. The other scenario is a group of adult friends or relatives.

This raises another interesting question. Will there be a population explosion in Switzerland in the medium term?

Re: Swiss to vote on 2,500 franc basic income for every adult

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Meanwhile, in America, the government is shut down to try to stop poor people from receiving subsidies on their private health insurance.

This is not an appropriate venue for chanting political slogans.

The GP is not a "political slogan", it's a statement of fact. If you'd like to rebut, which seems fairly unlikely, please provide both evidence of sloganhood (slogan, of course, means something specific: in part, that the aforementioned phrase has been used verbatim as a form of promotion. Cite the promotion) and additionally an actual rebuttal to the GP.

That would actually be what this is an appropriate venue for, not your contentless dismissal.

Re: Swiss to vote on 2,500 franc basic income for every adult

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I think it's worth explaining how swiss legislation works. There are several ways to propose a new law, one of which is for enough citizens to petition, which leads to a referendum style vote.

The basic income vote followed this process, and though it gathered enough interest to warrant people voting on it, it has little chance of passing.

Interestingly a similar vote recently passed which limited the income in a company to a factor of 12 (i.e: the CEO can not make more than 12 times the lowest salary of his company) which wasn't expected of switzerland (a rather liberal and conservative country)

Re: Swiss to vote on 2,500 franc basic income for every adult

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Maybe I am too obtuse to understand how such things could work. What happens if nobody has a job? OK, that's a little extreme. Let's see, a family of five would get 12500 F per month unconditionally. That's probably a pretty good chunk of money for doing nothing. I see images of five to ten people living together to collectively earn 25000 F per month. In the same story they talk about limiting executive pay to 12x t…

One thing to consider is that today in Switzerland if you don't work you can already get around 2000CHF/mo in social programs and health insurance subsidies. (Most) people work nevertheless, if only because working brings you much more than a wage.

Re: Swiss to vote on 2,500 franc basic income for every adult

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> just to give some recent examples and the most recent (not necessarily on topic) http://idpc.net/alerts/2013/09/switzerland-decriminalises-ca...

That was not through referendum, though. The dynamics are very different. Interestingly enough, when asked, the parliament tends to be more open to change and experimentation than the people.

Yeah, I've stayed in Bern a few times in the 90s and I got a sentiment for it so I take a glance now and then what's going on, and the referendal results are often ridiculously surprising. The weed situation IMO for years has been the weirdest ever, since Swiss have the most liberal and practical drug treatment policies I know of, and AFAIK a high percentage of citizens admits to smoking joints. It looked like people just don't gave a crap enough to legalize it and after a few tries just gave up pushing it. How does it look like on the ground from a Swiss' perspective?

Re: Swiss to vote on 2,500 franc basic income for every adult

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A country that values science, education, peace AND cares about the poor! Have I stepped into another dimension?

You forgot democracy. Note that this bill was introduced by the people, not the government. In Switzerland, as long as you can get 100'000 to sign a referendum, you can get a bill to be voted on. We also vote 4 times a year on bills, that is we the people, not we the politicians.
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