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A bachelor’s degree could cost $10,000 total. Here’s how

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Re: A bachelor’s degree could cost $10,000 total. Here’s how

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Is there any data showing that the cost of college is increasing? I know the price (i.e. tuition) is increasing, but this is due to colleges increasing tuition rates to make up for shortfalls as state budgets for higher education are cut. But I haven't seen any data showing that the costs have risen. It's also worth noting that the #2 suggestion is mostly just an accounting trick that would increase the price to stud…

I've got absolutely no data to support this, so make no mistake that this is anything other than the wildest speculation: The feeling that's "in the air" is that what's really happened is buildup of too much management in the school systems. There seem to be far more "managers" per professor than there were before, and those managers are being paid far to much, especially in comparison to the professors doing the act…

This article[1] from the WSJ shows that administration varies between 3-10% of education spending. So probably not a significant driver.

[1]:http://graphics.wsj.com/documents/NONCLASS1212/

Unless there is data showing otherwise, I would argue that costs haven't changed, only the price.

The cost of providing education in 2013 at University of Washington is a little less than it was in 1990: $16,800 vs. $17,000. The difference is that in 1990, the state paid for 82%, where today it pays 29%.[2] That's where your tuition increases are coming from.

[2]:http://www.washington.edu/discover/budget/

Re: A bachelor’s degree could cost $10,000 total. Here’s how

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How I plan on getting a bachelor's degree for ~15k. 1. Go to a community college in a county that you are a resident for your two-year associates. The money I'm getting from Pell grants is paying my 18-credit hours per semester tuition right now (Roughly $120 per credit hour tuition). Books on top of that are costing me about 300 a semester (buy cheap old editions as much as possible). I've gotten scholarship money t…

Applying that strategy in California works superbly well; I've known a number of folks who took advantage of the community college system here and then transferred to Berkeley or UCLA and have a top-tier credential for a fraction of the cost of an equivalently-reputed institution.

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The education that Kamenetz describes could be offered for free at wikipedia.org.

By removing research, extracurriculars, sports, and on-campus living, she is paring a university education down to a simple exchange of knowledge, which is free online. These things all add to the essence of college, a place to transition from a child to an adult. The value of college is not what you learn in classes, but the personal development you go through by taking leadership positions in student organizations and pursuing passions with other young thinkers.

University is expensive because it's an adult development camp in addition to a knowledge exchange. The most expensive camps produce well developed, open minded individuals who are generally better positioned to succeed. I'd be surprised if I'm using anything I learned in a classroom even 5 years out of college, but the lessons learned outside the classroom will stay with me for life.

Re: A bachelor’s degree could cost $10,000 total. Here’s how

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How I plan on getting a bachelor's degree for ~15k. 1. Go to a community college in a county that you are a resident for your two-year associates. The money I'm getting from Pell grants is paying my 18-credit hours per semester tuition right now (Roughly $120 per credit hour tuition). Books on top of that are costing me about 300 a semester (buy cheap old editions as much as possible). I've gotten scholarship money t…

Yeah, my bachelor's degree would cost about $10,000 if I went to all four years (Mormon BYU student)

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How I plan on getting a bachelor's degree for ~15k. 1. Go to a community college in a county that you are a resident for your two-year associates. The money I'm getting from Pell grants is paying my 18-credit hours per semester tuition right now (Roughly $120 per credit hour tuition). Books on top of that are costing me about 300 a semester (buy cheap old editions as much as possible). I've gotten scholarship money t…

This is exactly what I did for my BS in Comp Sci. I finished my degree at SUNYIT in Utica, NY, which at the time, offered the last two years of your bachelor's degree, dovetailing nicely with community college. Final cost was about 16k. I remember people scoffing at community college, but don't pay attention to the elitism; you're being prudent.

Re: A bachelor’s degree could cost $10,000 total. Here’s how

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$10K Isn't too far off from what tuition for my EE degree cost in the late 80's. Even adjusted for real inflation it shouldn't be a penny more than $20K, possibly as low as about $15K today. That was of course at a state school. The somewhat counter-intuitive answer is that easy money has increased the price of education, in this case easy borrowing. The same phenomenon is responsible for almost all bubbles in modern…

Even the price of state schools vary wildly these days. I graduated from a large state school in 07. In-state tuition there is now double from when I was enrolled. DOUBLE. In five years.

Re: A bachelor’s degree could cost $10,000 total. Here’s how

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How I plan on getting a bachelor's degree for ~15k. 1. Go to a community college in a county that you are a resident for your two-year associates. The money I'm getting from Pell grants is paying my 18-credit hours per semester tuition right now (Roughly $120 per credit hour tuition). Books on top of that are costing me about 300 a semester (buy cheap old editions as much as possible). I've gotten scholarship money t…

The only issues I see with this is the peer effect, where students play to their playing field. Intelligent and motivated students placing themselves around less intelligent and less motivated students will often find themselves doing worse too, even up to not graduating. I myself know I am susceptible to this and try to push myself be being around other talented people. Not saying that there aren't intelligent and talented people in community college, but it may have an impact on your performance.

The other issue is missing out on extracurriculars. I learned a lot on my student news organization and got to experiment with building websites and trying out new special features (this was back when news orgs were a lot more cautious on the Web). It helped me get my first few jobs. It also helped me make a lot of connections (same with just going to the same school for four straight years).

If you go through with this plan, join some organizations as a junior at your four-year institution and get to know people outside of class. Connections matter a lot. Also, join professional organizations and go to conferences. You don't have to start doing that while a student, but it can't hurt either.

Luckily you're in Maryland where we aren't cutting higher education left and right. College Park is one of the better state schools, and it's pretty affordable still.

Re: A bachelor’s degree could cost $10,000 total. Here’s how

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How about go to an in-state school, get a scholarship (many go unclaimed every year), and get an on campus job? I, along with many people I know, got paid to go to school this way. Why people are paying tens of thousands of dollars a year/semester is beyond me.

What years did you attend? College costs have risen sharply, especially as states cut funding to state institutions.

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My problem with the online course idea (aside from the fact that this is pretty much already available) is that it lacks interactivity. The only reason I went to half of my lectures as an undergrad was because I could ask questions and get an near instant, expert response.

And sure, it's possible to pause a video lecture and look something up, but in my experience, it's just not the same. If I'm trying to understand something for the first time, and a part of the lecture just doesn't quite make sense, I want the transaction cost of clarifying a point to be as low as possible.

Re: A bachelor’s degree could cost $10,000 total. Here’s how

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How I plan on getting a bachelor's degree for ~15k. 1. Go to a community college in a county that you are a resident for your two-year associates. The money I'm getting from Pell grants is paying my 18-credit hours per semester tuition right now (Roughly $120 per credit hour tuition). Books on top of that are costing me about 300 a semester (buy cheap old editions as much as possible). I've gotten scholarship money t…

Keep in mind, though, that sticker price at an elite private university is often a lot more than you will actually pay if you are not from a wealthy family.

For example, according to Harvard:

   During the 2012-2013 academic year, students from
   families with incomes below $65,000, and with assets
   typical for that income level, will generally pay
   nothing toward the cost of attending Harvard College.
   Families with incomes between $65,000 and $150,000
   will contribute from 0 to 10 percent of income,
   depending on individual circumstances.  Significant
   financial aid also is available for families above
   those income ranges. [1]
Things are similar at other major elite private universities.

If two years of community college and two years of in-state public school will provide all you want, then by all means do that. But if you would actually prefer someplace like Harvard, Stanford, Caltech, MIT, etc., it's worth actually running the numbers rather than eliminating them on the assumption that they are terrifically expensive. Most of them have online net price calculators that will let you enter details of you and your parents' incomes and assets and family situation (how many kids in college, for example), and will tell you your real cost of attending.

[1] http://www.harvard.edu/harvard-glance

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