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At 16, Ganesh got a job in Qatar. Two months later he was dead

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Re: At 16, Ganesh got a job in Qatar. Two months later he was dead

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post #15

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You should not paint all countries in the Middle East with the same brush.

I've only been to a few countries in the Middle East, so I can't generalise. But one thing common among these countries is the lack of warmth, sincerity and humility among the locals. It is one of the most unpleasant and hostile cultures that I have encountered in my years of travel. They treat blue-collar foreigners as lesser humans. EDIT: To clarify, I've only been to Qatar, UAE and Bahrain.

They treat blue-collar foreigners as lesser humans.

Singapore, too.

Re: At 16, Ganesh got a job in Qatar. Two months later he was dead

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post #19

Why is this not front-page news of mainstream media? (I know why, it's because it's not profitable). But where is the outrage? Why is fighting back restricted to a few NGOs and some back office of the Nepalese government?

The Guardian is Britain's third biggest newspaper, and the slavery story is on the front page. Close enough?

Discussion on the main World Cup Slaves story here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6446077

Re: At 16, Ganesh got a job in Qatar. Two months later he was dead

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post #22

Why is this not front-page news of mainstream media? (I know why, it's because it's not profitable). But where is the outrage? Why is fighting back restricted to a few NGOs and some back office of the Nepalese government?

Because it would bring uncomfortable questions about the list of states that employ slavery, or effective slavery : Sudan, Mali, Niger, Chad, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Pakistan, Bangladesh. Hmmm I wonder what is driving the advancement of slavery, given that's the places where it's happening. An exploration of slavery would bring the very uncomfortable, but pretty well known, fact to the surface that slavery is pa…

I didn't think this video would be needed again, but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQnxnYEVp4U

Re: At 16, Ganesh got a job in Qatar. Two months later he was dead

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post #22

Why is this not front-page news of mainstream media? (I know why, it's because it's not profitable). But where is the outrage? Why is fighting back restricted to a few NGOs and some back office of the Nepalese government?

Because it would bring uncomfortable questions about the list of states that employ slavery, or effective slavery : Sudan, Mali, Niger, Chad, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Pakistan, Bangladesh. Hmmm I wonder what is driving the advancement of slavery, given that's the places where it's happening. An exploration of slavery would bring the very uncomfortable, but pretty well known, fact to the surface that slavery is pa…

How about rather than religious trolling you bring some sources for your stats that show causation between Islam and Slavery?

So far you've cherry picked weak correlation ignoring all other factors, and stated it like it's the obvious truth.

Re: At 16, Ganesh got a job in Qatar. Two months later he was dead

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post #15
post #6

Yes, this is awful, but what more can you expect from the Middle East? On a more political note, did Al Jazeera, report on this ?

You should not paint all countries in the Middle East with the same brush.

You should not paint all countries in the Middle East with the same brush.

How many Middle Eastern countries (besides Israel) have anything resembling democracy, or equal rights for women, or any rights for gay people?

Re: At 16, Ganesh got a job in Qatar. Two months later he was dead

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post #21
post #16

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It is legalized slavery. These middle eastern countries are well known for that. That's why they are recruiting the poorest of the poor from rural areas in Asia. Foreign workers have 0 rights there. But hey these guys are US allies,the leader of democracy and the free world... they cant be bad , can they ...

Not the middle eastern countries. This is part of their legal system, which is called "islam", or "sharia" (translation: the right way for a muslim). Slavery (if you define it as forced labour without compensation), in case anyone doesn't know, is part of every religion. It is even part of Christianity, but Canon law specifies that it is a Christian's duty to, firstly, never own slaves themselves (with serious punish…

I have no idea from where you got your claims.

> Islam encourages freeing slaves, but only in one circumstance : after they have completed a successful military campaign, to celebrate

> Note that islam is also unique in that it actually says that it's OK for owners to just kill slaves

Absolutely false on both accounts. Please provide your sources.

Re: At 16, Ganesh got a job in Qatar. Two months later he was dead

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the middle eastern countries. This is part of their legal system, which is called "islam", or "sharia" (translation: the right way for a muslim). Slavery (if you define it as forced labour without compensation), in case anyone doesn't know, is part of every religion. It is even part of Christianity, but Canon law specifies that it is a Christian's duty to, firstly, never own slaves themselves (with serious punish…

This is not part of Islam, since you don't find it going on in Malaysia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Islamic Africa, or the West where muslims live as well. This is instead confined to the Gulf states. I'm really very curious about where you're pulling all this stuff from.

I'm very curious about where s/he's pulling all that from too. First time I ever hear that killing slaves is OK in Islam! Or that freeing slaves is only allowed after they served in a military campaign.

Re: At 16, Ganesh got a job in Qatar. Two months later he was dead

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post #12

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Given that the terms change from what the worker originally agreed to - for example, a lot of these work camps don't bother paying the workers, and freedom to roam is curtailed - it's more analagous to slavery than indentured servitude.

It is legalized slavery. These middle eastern countries are well known for that. That's why they are recruiting the poorest of the poor from rural areas in Asia. Foreign workers have 0 rights there. But hey these guys are US allies,the leader of democracy and the free world... they cant be bad , can they ...

Very much related. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/25/revealed-qatars...
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