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Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by bigiain »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #71
jlgaddis wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The organization should have a number of laptops designated solely for international use. They should be restored to the org's "gold image" and kept "in stock" and available. Prior to leaving on an international trip, the traveler "checks out" a laptop from I.T. for the duration of his trip. No personal or business data should exist on the data at this point. Once destinated, the needed business data can be downloade…

Seems like a good plan, but if the laptop leaves your sight you don't know how the hardware has been tampered with.

I've heard of companies that consider any electronics thats ever been taken to China to be no longer useable on the company network. Their approach is to consider those devices "disposable". If ou take a laptop to China, buy a replacement when you get home and give the old one away - its never to be connected to the internal network again.

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by rhizome »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #61
altero wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I checked airport security in canada murdered Polish citizen because he did not spoke english.

That's quite disingenuous... He was tasered and restrained because he had become unruly and destructive. Certainly the situation could have (and should have) been handled better, and the RCMP should have only tasered him once, but to call it murder, and specifically to say it's because he didn't speak english, is a blatant falsehood.

Last I checked there was no (official) death penalty for chair-throwing. Call it institutional incompetence in de-escalation and maybe we can find some common ground.

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by jessaustin »

atlanticus wrote: post #85
dtsygankov wrote: post #82

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When I'm not letting _your_ friends in _my_ house, this is OK, since my house is my property. When _my_ friends cannot visit me in _my_ house, however, because they are lacking a piece of paper called visa, the world is really messed up.

Your house is yours because of an agreement with the country you live in.

"Agreements" with sovereign powers are only sometimes worth the paper on which they're printed. A well-stocked armory, however, tends to retain its value in all climates.

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by beedogs »

maratd wrote: post #17
carlob wrote: post #16

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Israel is pretty bad in this department as well. I hear that visiting Israel with an Arabic last name, or, god forbid, trying to go visit Palestine from an Israeli airport will land you in all sorts of trouble. In fact I don't plan to visit Israel any time soon. I believe this is the sentiment of grandparent commenter, the fact that there might be other places where something like this happens is no excuse for a beac…

> I hear that visiting Israel with an Arabic last name, or, god forbid, trying to go visit Palestine from an Israeli airport will land you in all sorts of trouble. I hear that visiting Arab countries with a Jewish last name, or, god forbid, trying to go visit Israel from an Arabian airport will land you in all sorts of trouble. Any particular reason you're picking on one and not the other? A bit hypocritical, don't y…

Are you just here to be an argumentative dick?

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by omarali »

refurb wrote: post #43
Mikeb85 wrote: post #15

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Yes but passing through our airports isn't a nightmare...

But passing through the land crossing can be. I'm a Canadian citizen and I've gotten far worse treatment from Canadian officials than I have from US officials. It's an anecdote I know, but it is what it is.

I've has the opposite experience as a US citizen.

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by monksy »

maratd wrote: post #5
sbarre wrote: post #3

"DHS lawyers claimed that international travel provides, in and of itself, sufficient Constitutional basis for detention and search of international travellers and the search, seizure and copying of the digital contents of their belongings." Really? Fucking hell.. With every month that goes by, I am less and less inclined to travel to, or do business in, the US.. edit: I'm aware that later in the article they say the…

> Really? Fucking hell.. With every month that goes by, I am less and less inclined to travel to, or do business in, the US.. The insinuation being that the US is the only country doing this? I hate this sort of thing as much as the next guy, but let's not pretend the US is the only country engaging in this behavior. We can certainly expect better, but don't blind yourself to the obvious. Based on recent events, mayb…

I'm not sure that this is really the case.

I believe that it has gotten worse over the years, mostly due to politics and the fact that most people in the US do not have to deal with this. [We have a rather passport-holding-population]

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by greenyoda »

carlob wrote: post #27
maratd wrote: post #17

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> I hear that visiting Israel with an Arabic last name, or, god forbid, trying to go visit Palestine from an Israeli airport will land you in all sorts of trouble. I hear that visiting Arab countries with a Jewish last name, or, god forbid, trying to go visit Israel from an Arabian airport will land you in all sorts of trouble. Any particular reason you're picking on one and not the other? A bit hypocritical, don't y…

First off both of what the sibling posters said is true. 1. Israel makes big claims of being an advanced democracy, unlike the Saudi monarchy 2. I wasn't singling Israel in particular. I wouldn't visit Saudi Arabia for the exact same reasons. But there is another point where your parallel breaks, there is no way to get to Palestine without going through Israel, so if you are a social worker involved with the welfare…

"there is no way to get to Palestine without going through Israel"

Can't you get to the West Bank through Jordan and Gaza through Egypt?

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by nl »

korethr wrote: post #102
jlgaddis wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The organization should have a number of laptops designated solely for international use. They should be restored to the org's "gold image" and kept "in stock" and available. Prior to leaving on an international trip, the traveler "checks out" a laptop from I.T. for the duration of his trip. No personal or business data should exist on the data at this point. Once destinated, the needed business data can be downloade…

More like all users would complain. Don't get me wrong, it sounds like like a good solution, but you would be amazed at the recalcitrance of users asked to do something new or different. Plus, your infrastructure and user workflows have to be able to support such a setup. If a user who travels a lot is utterly dead in the water without his dozen 10GB email archive files, and the VPN is a tiny 1mb/s pipe for the whole…

Most email clients let you store your archive online. Exchange certainly does - I can search from my phone, which only stores the last week's work email locally.

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Post by jevinskie »

contingencies wrote: post #106

The rough standard is basically that data must be provided by airlines to authorities at the point of landing at least 15 minutes before departure. In practice they probably provide it earlier. I did some FOIAs in to this stuff with the EU recently @ http://www.asktheeu.org/en/request/information_on_pnr_agreem... My interpretation was that the picture the response painted was of five eyes nations all hitting up the E…

Amazing! Thank you for your efforts into investigating this. I find the EU FOIA site fascinating and I wish the US had an equivalent.
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