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Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by CGamesPlay »

jlgaddis wrote: post #51
mmagin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you put this into action if you're a typical business traveler? It doesn't seem very practical.

The organization should have a number of laptops designated solely for international use. They should be restored to the org's "gold image" and kept "in stock" and available. Prior to leaving on an international trip, the traveler "checks out" a laptop from I.T. for the duration of his trip. No personal or business data should exist on the data at this point. Once destinated, the needed business data can be downloade…

Seems like a good plan, but if the laptop leaves your sight you don't know how the hardware has been tampered with.

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by ThomPete »

lflux wrote: post #60
ThomPete wrote: post #35

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Its not the only one but it shouldn't be one of those who do. Go to the scandinavian countries and experience how effective, friendly and welcoming airport terminals can be.

The only thing welcoming of landing at Arlanda is that my 3G data starts working again, and I have access to Eduroam. Arriving from ex-Schengen, especially at the non F-pier gates (due to the small passport control where you have to go up 3 flights of stairs and then down), isn't very welcoming at all.

We are not talking inconvenience here. We are talking the process of getting into the country or through security.

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by dreamfactory »

jlgaddis wrote: post #51
mmagin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you put this into action if you're a typical business traveler? It doesn't seem very practical.

The organization should have a number of laptops designated solely for international use. They should be restored to the org's "gold image" and kept "in stock" and available. Prior to leaving on an international trip, the traveler "checks out" a laptop from I.T. for the duration of his trip. No personal or business data should exist on the data at this point. Once destinated, the needed business data can be downloade…

I think that's pretty rare, even among big co's that do a lot of government work.

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by TheLegace »

perlpimp wrote: post #50
snitko wrote: post #42

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Holding a US citizen for 4 hours. And tricked him into giving his cellphone. Yep. He probably came there to work illegally.

Alot of my friends did the oppostie. American employers pay higher wages for professional labour than those in Canada. Most americans travel to study in Canada. Canadian economy is quite conservative, maybe thats why it fared ok in last recession. So it does not make sense, to me at least. my 2c.

Unfortuately people are very risk averse here, and like many VCs(according to PG) they don't exactly understand the tech their investing in. I guess SV or the US in general have investor class that can take risks.

Personally for political reasons I will stay in Canada, but finding investors for my startup is going to be difficult.

Lucikly Intel will save the day for me.(fingers crossed).

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by straight_talk_2 »

sbarre wrote: post #3

"DHS lawyers claimed that international travel provides, in and of itself, sufficient Constitutional basis for detention and search of international travellers and the search, seizure and copying of the digital contents of their belongings." Really? Fucking hell.. With every month that goes by, I am less and less inclined to travel to, or do business in, the US.. edit: I'm aware that later in the article they say the…

Travel to US? Oh man, you don't value your freedom and privacy enough.

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by rayiner »

snitko wrote: post #64
rayiner wrote: post #62

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In a democratic society, "they" are the majority. You are a part of them, but you get your one vote and no more. They can bind you without your explicit consent, because at the end of the day they are the ones who protect you from the dangers of other nations, anarchy, etc.

So if this 60% majority decides to kill the 40% minority, would you still think it's okay to do so? If not, then how about 70%/30%? Or 90%/10%? Where are the lines for which actions and who decides on them?

The only lines are in the conscience of the sovereign majority.

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by coldtea »

jlgaddis wrote: post #47
United857 wrote: post #37

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Yes, and I think people forget this in singling out the US. Remember that the Five Eyes (US/UK/CA/AU/NZ) essentially operate as one security mechanism.

Since I first heard about FVEY, I have assumed that each of the member countries has total unrestricted access to 100% of the data that any of the other member countries have collected. The more that we find out, the more I believe that that is an accurate assumption.

There's no way that the other 4 eyes have "100% unrestricted access to the data" of the big one...

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by jessaustin »

rayiner wrote: post #54
gohrt wrote: post #39

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"border search" was extremely more narrow in scope bath then, across all dimensions.

If a customs official thought you had contraband in 1789, he could search your person, open boxes on your ship, etc, without a warrant and without probable cause. See U.S. v. Ramsey: http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6107136132398268... (616-617). The difference is that this "plenary power" to search at the border has different implications today now that people carry their whole lives around with them on t…

...a fault of the people rather than a fault of the law.

An entire philosophy of government, in a nutshell!

You know, it's actually OK to change laws that are bad for the people. For example, three of the four Alien & Sedition Acts were allowed to expire within three years (the fourth is only in force during declared wars), since no one actually liked them.

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by aric »

snitko wrote: post #64
rayiner wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a democratic society, "they" are the majority. You are a part of them, but you get your one vote and no more. They can bind you without your explicit consent, because at the end of the day they are the ones who protect you from the dangers of other nations, anarchy, etc.

So if this 60% majority decides to kill the 40% minority, would you still think it's okay to do so? If not, then how about 70%/30%? Or 90%/10%? Where are the lines for which actions and who decides on them?

It's unfortunate that you're being downvoted. Your statements in this thread are ethically rational.

Cheers to a free mind such as yourself who won't be lured into circular reasoning by the happenstance of being born subject to arbitrary policy, and to a free mind who recognizes that borders are inhumane comparatively, in a natural sense, irrespective of the policies of other groups that claim territory and dictate the travels of others.

Land grab has been a 'bumpy road' over the course of millennia, to say the least, yet mob rule within a framework of a [rule of law] does not make the effects of policy more justified ethically. Historically and presently, the lines are drawn under a simple premise: "might makes right." I believe it's eventually possible to change that mindset. It would take an entire "nation" to effectively lead by example, under the ironic creed of Lady Liberty. That's clearly a daunting prospect any time soon, at least for large nations. However, nurturing more people to have freer, conscientious minds who can extrapolate ethics from [law/might] are the important part of a path to getting there.

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by atlanticus »

snitko wrote: post #31
rayiner wrote: post #25

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Uh, what exactly is shocking about this? The government has the right to know the precise identity of each and every person that's crossing its borders. It's also reasonably entitled to know the identify of each person flying into its sovereign airspace. How do you think they enforce visas and customs?

I would start with the question of why is it that people need visas. We live on the same earth. We should be allowed to travel wherever we want. It's ridiculous.

The fact that my friends and I can't show up at your house unexpected and stay indefinitely must seem ridiculous to you as well.
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