Usability aside, the view breakdown looks fantastic. I mean it can be overkill but whatever, that wireframe view shows some engineering.
Lifting the lid on the iOS 7 UIPicker
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Re: Lifting the lid on the iOS 7 UIPicker
#42> You’re also not able to tap the AM/PM or minute items to select them, which is completely inconsistent because you can tap the day and hour items! WAT Uh oh, that is a major red flag that the code behind this picker is one terrible mess. It implies that the code used for the time part of the picker is completely separate from the code for the date part.
Hm, it's more likely that when you have a picker column with just a few elements (like only "AM" & "PM"), the tap boundaries aren't adjusted to fill the entire container. The bigger flag is how this wasn't picked up internally, given how prevalent UIDatePicker is in Apple's own apps. I'd be surprised if no one noticed, so am curious to see if this intentional and stays the same, or was truly accidental.
He lists that as a separate bug, so it seems the drag targets are too small and they don't respond to taps.
I had some trouble myself interacting with an iOS7 time picker but it was about confusion of how wide the active areas where.
I'm also dubious of the still skeomorphic toggle buttons. They look like something you could drag across to activate, but you need to start your drag on the toggle switch so they're basically buttons.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure I follow your criticism of the clock app. It looks the same to me, albeit "flatter".
I was referring to this, it looks a lot worse on devices with a longer screen — http://i.imgur.com/8kjaGQ6.png
I guess it just doesn't look that bad to me. The buttons particularly seem fine, but you could reasonably say that they stand apart from the rest of the UI in some way. That the timer is still using a picker like this at all instead of a more reasonable input is my only real gripe, but that's sort of beyond the scope of this.
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#44Oh man, and now even Apple has come to a point where it's taking things that were done well and making them worse. So sad. It may be because it was rushed and hopefully they'll address it, but seeing the UI principles violated so badly is just painful to see. It's not even debatable, because it's not consistent. I like seeing progress and devices/software improve over time, so every time I see something get worse tha…
Scott Forestall must be laughing his ass off. His style may have been "obsolete", but at least he did it right. The new UI is trying hard to be "flatter", but it looks like it's done by an amateur.
His style was never obsolete. Soon designers will reject all that flat fad because of what it really is , hyped non sense that goes against basic usability.Then all flat UIs will look obsolete.
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#45There is one more thing bothering me: The touch areas are not visually distinguishable. I was really surprised that touching just a little left of the minutes will scroll the hours, even though there is no line between them and there is a huge whitespace inbetween.
I'm thinking that whole roll picker doesn't fit into flat design at all, since it's depicting a 3D object, which is the very opposite of what flat design is about - whether you like it or not. I do think that flat design done right can look great whilr offering the same usability, but it's much harder to get right.
Re: Lifting the lid on the iOS 7 UIPicker
#46There is one more thing bothering me: The touch areas are not visually distinguishable. I was really surprised that touching just a little left of the minutes will scroll the hours, even though there is no line between them and there is a huge whitespace inbetween. I'm thinking that whole roll picker doesn't fit into flat design at all, since it's depicting a 3D object, which is the very opposite of what flat design…
I'm not an iOS user - has the date roll picker always been there? In WP7 (the exemplar of flat design on a phone) it uses the roll-like UI but without the 3D object metaphor. The behavior is the same, but flat.
I'd rather just have a numpad, especially for time.
Re: Lifting the lid on the iOS 7 UIPicker
#47Oh man, and now even Apple has come to a point where it's taking things that were done well and making them worse. So sad. It may be because it was rushed and hopefully they'll address it, but seeing the UI principles violated so badly is just painful to see. It's not even debatable, because it's not consistent. I like seeing progress and devices/software improve over time, so every time I see something get worse tha…
>Oh man, and now even Apple has come to a point where it's taking things that were done well and making them worse. So sad.
When was there a time that Apple didn't do that ocassionally?
Even back at OS X 10.0, there were tons of nice OS 9 features that got lost in the transition.
If it proves to be a major pain point they'll address it. Could even happen in a minor update. Such is the beauty of software.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which picker/app is that? Here's the time picker in the Clock app (for setting alarms) on 4.3 (CM 10.2): http://i.imgur.com/KhhHul5.png
Yeah, that time picker is awesome. All the other apps need to use this one, especially Calendar.
Exactly. Stop being fancy with silly analog clock metaphors - time is numbers, just give me a numerical keypad.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, who gives a shit about usability when designing UI!?
You've got to be kidding. Going from modal to inline is a huge leap forward in usability.
It's potentially a leap forward, if it's done right. This wasn't done right - it's harder to use than the old version.
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#50So, have Apple really cocked up this release, or is it just the bloggers going to town whenever they find some flaw and hacker news loves it when people find problems? Am genuinely curious - I've boon obsoleted with my iPod 4 so can't find out for myself..
Bloggers, for the most part. There are minor regressions that people are making a big deal out of, but usability overall has gone up dramatically. Anecdotally, my 65 year old mother in law and non-techie wife have had no problems with the new design, which to me indicates that it can't be a disaster.