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FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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So, uh, that's a criminal offence in many jurisdictions. Are we going to see international arrest warrants and extradition and trials?

Horray. A new growth industry for the us-ians. We'll export prison sentences! Just in time too. I hear we're running low on minorities with dime-bags of pot to incarcerate.

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just "once". Many conspiracy theorists still believe that it is some form of government plot or another. The theories range from it being a toxic waste disposal scheme that is poisoning people (and as far as I know, there is some basis for the claim that fluoridation came about as a way to cheaply get rid of a relatively toxic byproduct; that doesn't validate any other part of it though), to fluoride being used a…

Fluoride stays in the body and over time will calcify the pineal gland, which is a poorly understood part of the body. Fluoride was used in the past to pacify populations, at least, that is the claim made by anti-F people (I haven't myself run down the sources). There are books out concerning F and its effect on the body's metabolism, such as this one http://www.amazon.com/Fluoride-Aging-Factor-Recognize-Devast... .…

I also recall reading about some lady who died of fluorosis from drinking gallons of tea a day.

edit: link found via google: http://www.livescience.com/28078-skeletal-fluorosis-tea-drin...

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

#93
This is actually a pretty good attack. The only problem I see is the usefulness of the evidence that the attack gathers. Visiting an FBI warning over Tor isn't illegal, so appearing in some child-porn-user database because you were curious about how the exploit worked is a little disturbing, given the stigma child porn has.

I'd also like to see the legal theory they used to seize control of someone's computer. Did a judge sign off on this attack strategy?

But ultimately, I think they used some pretty good software engineering to solve a problem they wanted to solve.

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

#94
post #83
post #50

The FBI was never going to ignore huge stockpiles of easily accessible child pornography on the deep web, and Hacker News was never going to believe that this wasn't about more than child pornography. Just another day.

Do you assume that the techniques used for something most would assume to be reasonable will not ever be used in less desirable ways?

Police "techniques" involve guns, tear gas, helicopters, etc. At any time the police could in theory fly to your house, launch tear gas into your windows, and shoot you in the head as you run out. And I don't know about you, but I'm not exactly worried about that happening to the point where I want to take guns, tear gas, and helicopters away from the police.

This is the FBI taking down criminals engaging in a clear criminal activity, and it is silly to implicitly compare it to the NSA fishing for terrorists. All the evidence gathered here will be presented in a court of law, all the techniques used will have to be approved by judges as in accordance with laws and the constitution or the gathered evidence will be thrown out. The suspect and any other future suspects will get a trial if they want. It will be out in the open.

If you are upset that the software you thought was secure and anonymous isn't as secure and anonymous as you thought, that isn't the FBI's fault.

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

#97
post #84
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I don't even know anymore. We're gonna have to raise the bar on what it means to be a "tinfoil hatter"; the original definition has become reality. "Trust no one! Suspect EVERYTHING!" , I can say today without sounding crazy. Also, remember this? http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2011/... ....hmm, I wonder if....

> I don't even know anymore. We're gonna have to raise the bar on what it means to be a "tinfoil hatter"; the original definition has become reality. That's sort of where I've gotten to this summer. It's really frustrating and saddening. Although mind-control waves still aren't, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, a thing.

>Although mind-control waves still aren't, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, a thing.

knowing that you're under constant surveilance and your every step/action is recorded makes wonders in the way of shaping and controlling your behavior.

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#98
post #15

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Regarding the kernel.org hack: Even with git’s hashing, wouldn’t an attack on Linus’ – or even a subsystem maintainer’s – computer still be a viable way to get code into the kernel, as said code would be a variant of new, unpublished code rather than changed old code?

It wouldn't be particularly easier to do it that way than just submitting your subversive code normally. Either way your change would need to be "underhanded" such that anybody viewing it wouldn't suspect anything. In fact, trying to slip it in under the radar like that would actually just increase the chances of getting caught, because then it becomes something that isn't suppose to be there instead of merely someth…

There is every possibility, however, that there is open-source code in the Linux kernel that, at runtime, interacts with specific microcode instructions that can backdoor a system. Runtime remote backdoor triggers are more useful anyway, because the one thing the NSA can't do is hide from network sniffers. (Of course the best way to hide would be piggybacking on something like automatic software update requests - which I happen to disable, as a nod to my tinfoil wearing brethren.)

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

#99

This is actually a pretty good attack. The only problem I see is the usefulness of the evidence that the attack gathers. Visiting an FBI warning over Tor isn't illegal, so appearing in some child-porn-user database because you were curious about how the exploit worked is a little disturbing, given the stigma child porn has. I'd also like to see the legal theory they used to seize control of someone's computer. Did a…

It most likely falls under the FBI's legal wiretapping abilities.

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

#100
post #33

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In case you hadn't heard, much of "Anonymous" has been FBI-sponsored activity.

Source?

E.g., http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/mar/06/lulzsec-sa...

Check the timelines. Some of Lulzsec's most dramatic attacks were carried out with an FBI agent literally looking over Sabu's shoulder.

'Opdarknet' in particular seemed quite a bit different from the rest, in the MO (basically the same as the FBI used against Freedom Hosting) and the wording of their release.

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