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FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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Post by derefr »

kens wrote: post #63
sillysaurus2 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone else should step up and give a comprehensive overview, because I can only recount the timeline from memory, not provide sources. But iirc, Anonymous was a loose coalition of random people on the internet, some of which turned out to have some basic hacking skills. They weren't really taken seriously until they embarrassed HBGary. At that point, the FBI began investigating them. Anonymous changed their name to…

> The FBI used standard police techniques to infiltrate and eventually dismantle the those groups. Seriously, how do we know the FBI's story isn't "parallel construction"? It always seemed to me that tracking down Anonymous would be easy if you had NSA-scale monitoring. I don't want to sound like paranoid guy, but maybe the FBI's stories about tracking down clues from chat logs are all made up.

Because... doing it the other way isn't particularly hard, either?

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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Post by FuzzyDunlop »

mhurron wrote: post #70
sillysaurus2 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason the FBI and Anonymous seemed to join forces is because the FBI turned Anonymous's leader, Sabu. http://gawker.com/5890847/revered-anonymous-leader-rats-out-...

Anonymous has no leaders and lulzsec isn't Anonymous. Notice how it has a identifiable name and members who are not anonymous.

Notice how the usage of 'Anonymous' as a proper noun means it has an identifiable name.

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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Post by alan_cx »

skwirl wrote: post #50

The FBI was never going to ignore huge stockpiles of easily accessible child pornography on the deep web, and Hacker News was never going to believe that this wasn't about more than child pornography. Just another day.

Do you assume that the techniques used for something most would assume to be reasonable will not ever be used in less desirable ways?

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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Post by pnathan »

smtddr wrote: post #4

I don't even know anymore. We're gonna have to raise the bar on what it means to be a "tinfoil hatter"; the original definition has become reality. "Trust no one! Suspect EVERYTHING!" , I can say today without sounding crazy. Also, remember this? http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2011/... ....hmm, I wonder if....

> I don't even know anymore. We're gonna have to raise the bar on what it means to be a "tinfoil hatter"; the original definition has become reality.

That's sort of where I've gotten to this summer. It's really frustrating and saddening.

Although mind-control waves still aren't, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, a thing.

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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Post by khuey »

olsonjeffery wrote: post #37
yapcguy wrote: post #6

> "Mozilla confirmed the code exploited a critical memory management vulnerability in Firefox that was publicly reported on June 25, and is fixed in the latest version of the browser." Will Rust help eliminate the problem of buffer overflows and other memory related hacks?

IIRC the original attack was a JS heap spray (using JavaScript Typed Arrays, no less), so not only would the browser have to be written in rust, but also the JavaScript engine which, AFAIK, isn't on Mozilla's roadmap (but I don't speak for them).

Uh, no. A heap spray is not an attack. It's a method of exploiting a vulnerability, but it's a) trivial to do and b) useless without said vuln. Also rewriting the JS engine in Rust doesn't change the ability to heap spray.

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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Post by [deleted] »

sillysaurus2 wrote: post #40
tokenadult wrote: post #39

"Freedom Hosting has long been notorious for allowing child porn to live on its servers. In 2011, the hactivist collective Anonymous singled out the service for denial-of-service attacks after allegedly finding the firm hosted 95 percent of the child porn hidden services on the Tor network. In the hearing yesterday, Donahue said the service hosted at least 100 child porn sites with thousands of users, and claimed Mar…

The reason the FBI and Anonymous seemed to join forces is because the FBI turned Anonymous's leader, Sabu. http://gawker.com/5890847/revered-anonymous-leader-rats-out-...

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Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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Post by unreal37 »

Tloewald wrote: post #69

This would make the FBI guilty of a whole bunch of felonies, would it not? (Independent of whether what they were doing is morally right or wrong, isn't this exactly what they imprison hackers for?)

You cannot arrest the U.S. government for felonies.

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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Post by jumby »

It's sad everyone on here is amazed the good guys have good tools. Sure it probably cost them $1M USD to have some server record an incoming ip from an http request, but still.

"Oh noes, we aren't 3 steps ahead of them, they are 3 steps ahead of us." Fuckin-a they are and I'm glad.

Getting rid of scumbag terrorists, child porn shitbirds and spying on foreign adversaries is fine by me.

And yes, I already know the comments will be "what if they designate you a terrorist some day". I suppose I will cross that bridge when that happens.

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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Post by marshray »

alcari wrote: post #35
marshray wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case you hadn't heard, much of "Anonymous" has been FBI-sponsored activity.

In case you hadn't heard, much of "Anonymous" has been related in name only.

That's why I said "Anonymous".

Re: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

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Post by mhurron »

FuzzyDunlop wrote: post #82
mhurron wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anonymous has no leaders and lulzsec isn't Anonymous. Notice how it has a identifiable name and members who are not anonymous.

Notice how the usage of 'Anonymous' as a proper noun means it has an identifiable name.

Really? Point out Anonymous.

Ya, you were being cute, but Lulzsec was Sabu and his group. Anonymous is whatever a random group of people decided to that day and call themselves Anonymous. Tomorrow it will be a different group of people with a different and potentially conflicting cause.

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